Zim said:

Ponies are the Suck!

Zim said:
Sorry Soleron I asked for examples of character development that weren't painfully simple examples of things in children's shows to teach kids a lesson and you gave me perfect examples of that type of 'character development'

Please do the same thing for any anime you like. When you put it in words, it will be about as simple as I said.

You seemingly completely ignored the level of animation... guess that one is gone.

I said the level of animation serves the show perfectly. Much like, say, Super Mario Galaxy's graphics are not state of the art but are better designed for that game than anything else.

However yea the animation isn't anywhere near as good as other series. However according to you it's better than Ghost in the shell 2nd gig..... right

I already said it wasn't the best technical animation, stop putting words in my mouth.

You gave a parody/cover of California girls as an example of good music.... case closed on that one.

No, I gave THAT as an example of songs not for children. The links I gave are the show's music that I actually like.

You also seem to think that the lyrics don't count because even though they are in the song the composer didn't want them.... but they are in the song. Using the logic of something would be good if it was different isn't good logic.

MUSIC is instruments. Who listens to music for the lyrics lol? I only listen to the instrumental versions and BGM. The composer is on record as hating the lyrics he has been sent and the production directions he is forced into.

You have also completely flipped your argument on the fanart. You said the fanart makes the show good, I said that it is a separate entity and you have now changed it to the fanart is an example of people liking the show because it's good....... so you changed the direction of the relationship between the two things. I maintain fanart doesn't make a show inherently better.

I haven't changed my position. The fanart doesn't improve the show, right, but it does explain why "we" are into the show so much. Without the fanart I would not be watching every week.

Go on then show some quotes about adults being the main target demographic before the brony thing. Since my completely valid quotes (only one of which was from wiki by the by) apparently don't count because...... yea.

"When I took the job, I braced myself for criticism, expecting many people–without even watching the show–to instantly label it girly, stupid, cheap, for babies or an evil corporate commercial. I encourage skeptics like this to watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic with an open mind. " - Lauren Faust, December 2010

You're twisting my words again. Of course adults are not the main target audience, and of course a goal of the show is to sell toys, but from the start she was just trying to make a good show and see what resulted from that - not a normal girls cartoon the likes of which she hates.

Oh and look your example of 'deep' comedy..... a pretend interrogation, she says talk and the character talks about unrelated things HAHA that is deep! Oh look the pinky pony feels lonely and pretends inanimate objects are her friends but good grief it's handled with such subtly I can't tell is this a kids show or The Beaver.... gah so hard to tell! Yea sorry but if that is 'deep' comedy then we would have to class EVERY comedy as 'deep' comedy.

You watched it. Wow. Why invest your time in something you hate so much?

It is only deep if you have seen the portayal of her character from the first episode on. If I showed you a random clip of Toy Story towards the end would it make sense or be funny? And for sure it's not /that/ deep, not like a really good British drama. But it succeds more than the three shows you gave as examples of "deep" comedy yourself. Let me dig through their transcripts and find some incredibly shallow/slapstick humour. I bet I find more in 1 random episode than was in the episode "Sonic Rainboom".

Oh look changing your argument again. You said the mainstream views all gamers as basement dwelling, socially awkward teenagers. I said yes there are examples of that but also completely normal examples too. Your response is to ignore the fact your claim was completely wrong and instead rally against the big bang theory. Gamers in media are portrayed as a wide variety of things.

OK, agreed. But I was comparing the WORST portrayal of gamers to YOUR implications about bronies. Why do you feel so strongly about this?

I used to like Adventure Time, before it became a platform for shipping "PB+Marceline" and "we're so deep, Ice King is complex" nonsense.

And what's wrong with shipping PB and Marceline? Granted i'm a shameless Yuri fan, so i takes what i can gets

I liked the revelation that Ice King was a survivor of the Apocalypse and is thus a proper human like Finn, but that the only reason he's still around is because of his evil powers

For the matter of the thread at large, i enjoy the show from what i've seen. I don't get that many chances to watch it and i have better (re: Fairy Tail) things to watch online with my limited time

What bothers me the most is that the earlier episodes felt like innocent boy and his dog merriment and adventures.  Now it just feels like the writers have gone into full fan service mode.

*sigh* changing the argument again. Not once have I said Anime feature great character development and this doesn't. My argument is that this doesn't feature great character development. Good character development? The movie Broken flowers, very subtle realistic development. Too much to type here.

I already said it wasn't the best technical animation, stop putting words in my mouth.'' Animation puts the rest of the industry today to shame. All over production value is very high. ''
I'm sorry which one of you am I debating? I can't tell. I mean if you make two opposing points it's kinda hard to now which one is the real one. Even stylistically MLP doesn't put the rest of the industry to shame. EDIT: Should say the last sentence is my opinion. While I'm sure Soleron will in fact state that MLP is in fact the greatest stylistic achievement in the animation industry I would say there are much better examples and MLP is very derivative of plenty of prior works. 

No, I gave THAT as an example of songs not for children. The links I gave are the show's music that I actually like.

Katy Perry the girl who had a cover/parody of her song on seasame street. But on MLP it's not for kids.... *sigh*. Her original work is more aimed at the teen audience, however it is then parodied/covered in a childish way.

MUSIC is instruments. Who listens to music for the lyrics lol? I only listen to the instrumental versions and BGM. The composer is on record as hating the lyrics he has been sent and the production directions he is forced into.

.... that isn't even worth talking about. So even though it's in the song, you don't like it so it doesn't count. Also you listen to the music that isn't in the show but altered... yea great.  And I guess no one listens to music with lyrics.... despite instrumental music being far less popular........

I haven't changed my position. The fanart doesn't improve the show, right, but it does explain why "we" are into the show so much. Without the fanart I would not be watching every week.

Again I say that doesn't make the show itself better. If that's why you like it fine, but it doesn't make the show itself good. It can make you like the show but it doesn't magically improve the quality of the show.

"When I took the job, I braced myself for criticism, expecting many people–without even watching the show–to instantly label it girly, stupid, cheap, for babies or an evil corporate commercial. I encourage skeptics like this to watch My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic with an open mind. " - Lauren Faust, December 2010

 You're twisting my words again. Of course adults are not the main target audience, and of course a goal of the show is to sell toys, but from the start she was just trying to make a good show and see what resulted from that - not a normal girls cartoon the likes of which she hates.'' Nor is it a childhood thing; I don't consider the show aimed at children and neither did its creator. '''' It is not targeted at young girls. I can link you to where each member of staff working on it states this. ''

Okay so your example of a quote (Also on wikipedia which when I did it meant it was invalid but hey whatever) Is her saying it won't be for babies.... no where does she mention adults in any way. Again I'm confused. Which one of you am I debating? The one who clearly stated the show isn't aimed at children or the one who now admits adults aren't the target audience. Everyone is trying to make a good show, you still have a target audience. I guess I will keep waiting for you to '' It is not targeted at young girls. I can link you to to where each member of staff states this'' Since you are yet to show one. Let alone EACH member of staff.

It is only deep if you have seen the portayal of her character from the first episode on. If I showed you a random clip of Toy Story towards the end would it make sense or be funny? And for sure it's not /that/ deep, not like a really good British drama. But it succeds more than the three shows you gave as examples of "deep" comedy yourself. Let me dig through their transcripts and find some incredibly shallow/slapstick humour. I bet I find more in 1 random episode than was in the episode "Sonic Rainboom".

It's not deep in any way, shape or form.

OK, agreed. But I was comparing the WORST portrayal of gamers to YOUR implications about bronies. Why do you feel so strongly about this?

Where is my portrayal of bronies? At what point have I said ''Oh all bronies are losers who live in a basement RAR!'' I never have because that isn't my point and I don't believe it to be true. Whereas you thought of gamers and immediately jumped at the ''OH they must be socially awkward geeks''

Do you not even understand what I am trying to say? I don't care whether you PERSONALLY like it or not. But surely you can see why others enjoy it, from what I have said, and respect that those people aren't weird or somehow doing the wrong thing?

My point has never been the show is bad. My point has been that it is not intended for, aimed at or adult in any way. My annoyance comes from Bronies such as yourself who try and act like it has animation that puts the rest of the industry to shame, features deep comedy and character development. There is no shame in liking something intended for children and I can understand why someone would like a childrens show in a childish way. However it is deeply shameful to try and pretend that a childrens show is something it isn't and to pretend you like it because of features it doesn't have.

My original post states that beyond making them feel like a child again I don't understand the adult appeal. Liking it in a childish way, fine. Pretending it's high art with amazing animation, fantastic character development and stories etc intended for adults.... well you are only fooling yourself.