Zim said:
I'm sorry soleron but no. No adult should view the show as having good character development. Give me an example of some character development from it that isn't a simple tale you would teach your children like 'Being yourself is the most important thing, don't worry about what other people think'

That is plot. The plot of each episode is indeed simplistic and the moral annoying. I'm talking about how X character would react in a situation - and they always nail it perfectly, with very expressive facial animation and voice delivery. This forms attachments to the characters by the viewer which then sparks their imagination - that is the goal of all media.

Catchy music yea fine but so is Hannah Montana.

My MP3 player is 75% pony music and fanmusic at this point, over one day of pony-related original music, all genres from dubstep to metal to epic orchestral. Hannah Montana has nothing on this scene.

Fan art surely this is separate from the show. I don't see how it influences you to like the show.

The show is the jumping off point for the fanart, music, and a kind of subculture with its own language and references (you can take it as seriously as you like, but it's complelling once you're there much like a forum about video games is)

Animation puts the rest of the industry to shame..... simply no. Only if you for some strange reason you decided to completely ignore Japanese output. Even just compared to other Western cartoons I would say it is very good but not the best.

It is not the best technically. But it terms of function, serving the content itself, it is the best it could possibly be. The parts that need to be animated perfectly (facial expressions) are perfect. The rest of it sets the scene and tone well. It's the "HD graphics" vs art direction debate but for TV.

It has very simplistic character design and very simple animation with not a lot of nuances etc. Even if we say good animation I don't think that's a reason for a grown man to like a young girls tv show.

It is not targeted at young girls. I can link you to where each member of staff working on it states this.

I mean people forget that MLP:FIM is basically 4chan trolling the internet. The entire like for the show was simply created to annoy someone who wrote a not really controversial piece about how cartoons were moving back to be based on franchises, toys etc.Parts of 4chan decided to like it to annoy him and when other people disliked it to, hey presto! It is the strangest thing, it has to be 4chan's greatest joke on the internet yet. 

The article raised awareness. People watched it  initially so they had something to hate on it but like me they fell in love with the above. I'm not saying everyone should like it but at least agree its production values are high and that the fanbase's love is genuine and not weird.

It's a good cartoon for young girls but that's about it. It keeps the simplistic jokes, simple moral messages, bright simple animation, very safe comedy etc of the industry.

Personally, and I don't expect agreement here, the comedy is very deep and a refreshing change from the sexual "comedy" of modern American television.

Zim said:
I said provide an example of character development (reacting to a single situation is not character development) you haven't so I'm taking that as proof of my point.

Right, you asked for it.

Friendship is Magic, part 1 (1): Fluttershy will not talk to Twilight Sparkle directly. Humour is made out of the awkwardness of their interaction. By making friends we no longer see her being silent around people after this episode.

Dragonshy (7): By this point she is OK with talking to her friends but still has problems when asked to do new things. Fluttershy is reluctant to go with the group to save her town, but after being dragged there by her friends she finds her talents actually are useful in the final scene and from this point on no longer afraid to try things.

Cutie Mark Chronicles (14): We see Fluttershy realising that the place she can be happy is when she's interacting with animals, and this can be something that she is good at, increasing her confidence. 

Sonic Rainboom (16): She goes to support her friend doing what she loves, while throughout trying to be more assertive. Comedy is made out of her weak cheering at first but through the course of the episode she learns to better express how she is feeling and gives a good performance of cheering at the climactic scene.

Oh and yes a character realising they didn't have to let other peoples opinion sway them would be character development -_- Typical Brony response though, complete lack of understanding about media.

I can point out flaws in FiM and other media all day. I understand camera technique, composition, theoretical acting and so on, and I tend to be selective about what I watch - no other cartoon meets this standard.

Fanmusic does not count. The music on the show is clearly aimed at children. It is no different to Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTIdleMDThQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzV2n74Ozaw

^ Same quality as any videogame I have played. Another two songs in the show are parodies of a Sondheim musical decidedly not for kids. The songs made for adverts are parodies of "California Girls". The pathetic lyrics on some songs are not part of the composition, they are imposed by Hasbro and the composer works around them.

I still maintain the fanart part has no bearing on the actual show. There will be fanart for Dora the Explorer. Does that make it for adults? Does that make the show itself good?

It is a reflection on how much the show inspires people to do things. The same reason why Star Wars is so memorable 20 years later - it wasn't just contained to the two hours you watched it.

Oh please now you are getting desperate. It demonstrably is targeted at young girls. '' Despite the target demographic of young girls and their parents, Friendship Is Magic has gained a large following of older viewers, predominately male teenagers and adults, who call themselves "bronies".'' 

''While it is marketed to children, it has quickly amassed a legion of fanboys''

Haha you think quoting Wikipedia is sourcing. Anyone could have written that. You were arguing it is TARGETED at young girls. This can be refuted with statements from the producers and writers as I said. If you want to argue it is not SUITABLE for other audiences that is something different.

Actually Hasbro do NOT like the Brony market. They have refused to release box-set DVDs, episodes overseas at all, change the toys to be show accurate (wrong colour and hair completely), release T-shirts/posters/books which would be easy money for them, or indeed do anything that would help "us". Do not confuse them with the show's creators though.

I can provide you with quotes of people who worked on awful games, movies etc that will say the product is great. Doesn't make it so.

I agree. But I'm not talking about saying its great, I;'m talking about determining who it is targeted at, which can be objective FACT.

All the quotes saying it is for older audiences come after the brony thing i.e. oh look we have a market, lets pander to it. The fact you bronies try and use this argument is just pathetic. The game is aimed at young girls, simple as.

Incorrect. The quotes come from the response to the article you were describing, made well before they knew about bronies.

Give me an example of some 'deep' comedy from the series. Go on.

Pinkie's breakdown in Ep25 is a great psychological exploration of a normally happy character, complete with references to classic American cartoons  (Ren and Stimpy, not that I like that show) in style but not overtly. Her reactions to her friends are different but understandable, and it is the effective comedy trick of withheld information that the viewer has and she comes close to discovering the  truth so many times that there is comedy in the tension of the character's reactions. 

I have justified all my points while you have failed to provide any examples at all.

I already spent 10 minutes on that and I am happy to expand on specifics you ask for but it takes time.

Oh and lastly your idea of how the mainstream views gamers is also totally wrong. You can find examples of gamers like in the big bang theory but also in How I met your mother, two and a half men etc etc. Your 80s attitude would explain why you like MLP though -_-

Big Bang Theory are fucking caricatures. I am a physicist and am insulted daily by how they portray those people. Big Bang Theory is actually what I had in mind when I was talking about sexual comedy. They think it's funny to joke about sleeping with women or that body problems are inherently hilarious. They have shock value only.m Same for the other two shows, they rely on personal embarassment as humour. The science in BBT is BS, complete fabrication, they don't stick to the rules. FiM's creators take the world's rules very seriously and the consistency makes the show attractive, it's not like LOST where they made it so complicated they couldn't resolve everything within the rules and had to cheat.