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Zim said:
I said provide an example of character development (reacting to a single situation is not character development) you haven't so I'm taking that as proof of my point.

Right, you asked for it.

Friendship is Magic, part 1 (1): Fluttershy will not talk to Twilight Sparkle directly. Humour is made out of the awkwardness of their interaction. By making friends we no longer see her being silent around people after this episode.

Dragonshy (7): By this point she is OK with talking to her friends but still has problems when asked to do new things. Fluttershy is reluctant to go with the group to save her town, but after being dragged there by her friends she finds her talents actually are useful in the final scene and from this point on no longer afraid to try things.

Cutie Mark Chronicles (14): We see Fluttershy realising that the place she can be happy is when she's interacting with animals, and this can be something that she is good at, increasing her confidence. 

Sonic Rainboom (16): She goes to support her friend doing what she loves, while throughout trying to be more assertive. Comedy is made out of her weak cheering at first but through the course of the episode she learns to better express how she is feeling and gives a good performance of cheering at the climactic scene.

Oh and yes a character realising they didn't have to let other peoples opinion sway them would be character development -_- Typical Brony response though, complete lack of understanding about media.

I can point out flaws in FiM and other media all day. I understand camera technique, composition, theoretical acting and so on, and I tend to be selective about what I watch - no other cartoon meets this standard.

Fanmusic does not count. The music on the show is clearly aimed at children. It is no different to Hannah Montana, Jonas Brothers etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTIdleMDThQ 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzV2n74Ozaw

^ Same quality as any videogame I have played. Another two songs in the show are parodies of a Sondheim musical decidedly not for kids. The songs made for adverts are parodies of "California Girls". The pathetic lyrics on some songs are not part of the composition, they are imposed by Hasbro and the composer works around them.

I still maintain the fanart part has no bearing on the actual show. There will be fanart for Dora the Explorer. Does that make it for adults? Does that make the show itself good?

It is a reflection on how much the show inspires people to do things. The same reason why Star Wars is so memorable 20 years later - it wasn't just contained to the two hours you watched it.

Oh please now you are getting desperate. It demonstrably is targeted at young girls. '' Despite the target demographic of young girls and their parents, Friendship Is Magic has gained a large following of older viewers, predominately male teenagers and adults, who call themselves "bronies".'' 

''While it is marketed to children, it has quickly amassed a legion of fanboys''

Haha you think quoting Wikipedia is sourcing. Anyone could have written that. You were arguing it is TARGETED at young girls. This can be refuted with statements from the producers and writers as I said. If you want to argue it is not SUITABLE for other audiences that is something different.

Actually Hasbro do NOT like the Brony market. They have refused to release box-set DVDs, episodes overseas at all, change the toys to be show accurate (wrong colour and hair completely), release T-shirts/posters/books which would be easy money for them, or indeed do anything that would help "us". Do not confuse them with the show's creators though.

I can provide you with quotes of people who worked on awful games, movies etc that will say the product is great. Doesn't make it so.

I agree. But I'm not talking about saying its great, I;'m talking about determining who it is targeted at, which can be objective FACT.

All the quotes saying it is for older audiences come after the brony thing i.e. oh look we have a market, lets pander to it. The fact you bronies try and use this argument is just pathetic. The game is aimed at young girls, simple as.

Incorrect. The quotes come from the response to the article you were describing, made well before they knew about bronies.

Give me an example of some 'deep' comedy from the series. Go on.

Pinkie's breakdown in Ep25 is a great psychological exploration of a normally happy character, complete with references to classic American cartoons  (Ren and Stimpy, not that I like that show) in style but not overtly. Her reactions to her friends are different but understandable, and it is the effective comedy trick of withheld information that the viewer has and she comes close to discovering the  truth so many times that there is comedy in the tension of the character's reactions. 

I have justified all my points while you have failed to provide any examples at all.

I already spent 10 minutes on that and I am happy to expand on specifics you ask for but it takes time.

Oh and lastly your idea of how the mainstream views gamers is also totally wrong. You can find examples of gamers like in the big bang theory but also in How I met your mother, two and a half men etc etc. Your 80s attitude would explain why you like MLP though -_-

Big Bang Theory are fucking caricatures. I am a physicist and am insulted daily by how they portray those people. Big Bang Theory is actually what I had in mind when I was talking about sexual comedy. They think it's funny to joke about sleeping with women or that body problems are inherently hilarious. They have shock value only.m Same for the other two shows, they rely on personal embarassment as humour. The science in BBT is BS, complete fabrication, they don't stick to the rules. FiM's creators take the world's rules very seriously and the consistency makes the show attractive, it's not like LOST where they made it so complicated they couldn't resolve everything within the rules and had to cheat.


Addendum: I don't expect you to like it, or even appreciate it. I'm trying to say it is possible to enjoy it on its merits as much as any high-profile anime that adults watch, and that the reason people are so into it isn't ironic/trolling, it is the breadth of content made possible by the show. Not that content merely exists, but that it is a major part of several hundred thousand peoples' lives. You are attacking the show on the points  where it is strong!

Watch that fighting game video I linked earlier and point me to similar quality from any other "fandom".