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Does Sony Care More About Their Gamer's Then Microsoft and Nintendo...

Yes 283 46.85%
 
No 321 53.15%
 
Total:604

Free online gaming

Region free software

Two things which all gamers should be entitled to, it should be some sort of law; only provided by Sony.



 

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Play4Fun said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 

 

1. True gaming system= most varied library and applies more games that give  the most experiences  and less shovelware.

2. Hardcore gamers aren't the majority in the market, but they are what keeps the everything going when the casuals dont give a damn (which is most of the time)

3. The PS2 was a console dedicated to gaming and less politics which Nintendo had issues with third parties last gen and Microsoft couldnt get enough games to come out.

4. Name a console which has games that have nostalgia written all over them. If it isn't Nintendo, I dont know who it is.

 

'Real gaming', 'true gaming' , ' games not aimed at me are not true games, they are shovelware'

What a joke. I hope we have less people who think like this next gen.

And hardcore gamers, who are a very, very small minority in this industry, aren't what keeps everything going. Sega's hardcore fans sure as hell didn't save them. The core gaming market and the casual gaming market are what keep everything going.

Don't bother replying, you disgust me. *Spits*


Everyone knows the casual market is what keeps everything going. The core are the ones who know about the games that dont get publicity. Enthusiasts if you will who are on sites like this and know when the games are coming out, which in most cases the casual will ignore. This makes us the stable branch of the gaming market even though we are the smallest. You can call us the back bone. Hideo Kojima was talking about the level of industry were in now where games are having a hard time competing with commercially successful titles. The top titles of the year in a pool of games are turning from two handfuls to one handful.



This thread is good for a laugh! I almost convinced myself that some people who voted yes, might actually believe that. But then I thought, NO, they HAVE to be kidding, right?!

I mean no rationale person honestly believes there is some "we love our customers more than you!" board of directors at Sony who are guiding that ship, do they?

Do They?!



Adinnieken said:
theprof00 said:
kowenicki said:
theprof00 said:
Seece said:
BasilZero said:
Nope, thanks to the growing technology and the road which Nintendo has made with wireless motion controls, their gonna want to target more than just "hardcore" gamers.

Overall, in truth they care about the money rather than the enjoyment and satisfaction of the average gamer.

Wouldn't even say they care about money much, continue to cut hardware when they should be looking for other methods to spur on growth, persist with trying to make their 7 straight year loss tv division a success, amongst other things.

I think Sony cares about marketshare, market presence and mindshare most of all. That's what their actions suggest anyhow.

You can't make a profit on high end tvs in an age where economies are in the shithole, and disparity is higher than it ever was. Rich people, despite having millions upon millions, only buy as many tvs as a person who makes 100k

Economies havent been in a shit-hole for 8 years.  Sony's TV division has lost money for 8 years.

I think Sony used to care about marketshare and market presence and being perceived as a higher end brand more than anything (note i say higher end brand... not a high end brand, they have never been that)... but... Sony have always worked on very, very tight margins, it doesnt take much of an outside influence to push that slight profit margin into the red.  This is why they are cutting costs, closing factories and reducing their product ranges.  They have to increase their profit margin so that in good years they make lots and in bad years they dont lose.

Describe "much of an outside influence", because they were being undercut by hundreds on the same size tvs.

Nobody cares about contrast ratio etc etc. They want a 42" for 400 or less.

While I agree with you about the brand, and way too much overhead, but I think you're also trying to make the situation appear easier than it was.

If I were to go and look at the timeline, I'm sure I could figure out why it started 8 years ago. Your explanation leaves a sour taste, as it explains nothing at all.

And yes, economic stagnation started shortly after 9/11 for the USA, and fell into recession in 2008.

Economic stagnation started in 1998 for the US, it just wasn't seen by everyone until after 9/11.  9/11 was like a blood clot that passed through the heart.  A painfull wake-up call that something was seriously wrong and needed immediate attention.

Sony tried desperately to break into the high-end TV business with inferior LCD TVs.  I'm not saying Sony's TVs were inferior, I'm saying LCDs versus plasma TVs were.  As someone in the market at the time for a high-end TV, Sony's attempt to market LCD when compred against plasma TVs from Pioneer proved laughable.

It would be years before LCDs were able to match the picture quality of plasma.  In the mean time Sony wasted money trying to win in a segment it couldn't because the tech was simply inferior.  Meanwhile, Samsung and LG were able to come up from bhind selling cheap LCDs, investing into the technology making it better.  It made Sony look like it was behind the ball and as an also-ran player, instead of being the market leader.

 Wait, even though I was younger I specifically remember since 2002 (when I actually toke notice to things) almost everyone was really well off in America and the houses were selling ridiculously fast at ridiculous amounts, I remember it staying that way 'till around 2008. 



Play4Fun said:

Then, if I had to put you in a group (although I hate these labellings too), I'd say you are a core gamer. " A player with a wide range of interests and enthusiast towards creative and diverse games,  but without the amount of time spent and sense of competition of a hardcore gamer"

You don't turn your nose down at casual games because you are  open to a wide range of different gaming experiences.

It's the 'true gaming' or 'real gaming' nonsense that really gets to me.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

I can understand what people mean by "true gaming", they just need to word it properly and start calling it "hardcore gaming".



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sergiodaly said:
Play4Fun said:
sergiodaly said:
slowmo said:
"People will get a second job to buy a PS3"

They care about your money just the same as Microsoft and Nintendo

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yeah... and selling at a loss says exactly that...

of course they care about money... its a business... but i do think, sony does want to reach people by giving them good products with good support to make them fans, gain market share, after this comes profit ... MS IMO has a different approach... they want to give people a product that is profitable, mainly (XBL gold yearly fee says exactly that), and the quality and support come after that!
nint is a mix of them both... being Japanese and being American can have a lot to do with it.  

of course this is opinion and a personal view of things.

about the quote on your post... i would get a second job to be able to have anything worth, or that i really want (car, phone, console, shoes, bigger breast for my GF, etc) its called common sense.


You think Sony sells at a loss for the fans? They sell at a loss because they think they can recoup those losses and get those profits elsewhere. It's called a loss leading strategy.

MS is just the same as Sony, they use the loss-leading strategy too. They also want to make people fans of their products and gain marketshare. Any company that sells products wants that.

The whole "second job" fiasco was arrogance from Sony being a bit too over-confident coming from two very successful previous generations. No console is worth $600 except to a small subset of hardcore fans and Sony learned that this generation. 

of course its a strategy... losing money was never their plan... but its how they use their strategy and how they see the customer as a part of the strategy that i think is different.

"... Sony being a bit too over-confident ..." sorry but that does exist... they were confident in their product... if they didn't show that who would? MS? nint? imo gamers are very sensitive persons that can spin what ever they want to feed their agenda.

"... No console is worth $600 ..." if it cost 800$ to make how can't it be worth 600? that does not make sense... you couldn't see the value in it, i accept that... i don't see it too in a 12.000$ wrist watch but some other find, and buy them.


The PS3 never proved it's market value at $600 hence the terrible sales.  It might have been worth that to you but the majority of consumers spoke and Sony were forced to listen. 

I think you need to seriously reassess your view of Microsoft.  They contribute a lot to charities, they cut the price of their products for education and most importantly of all, they do all this out of their own pockets without being funded by a government like the subsidies Sony receive from the Japanese government (which incidentally some person in Japan is paying for in taxes too).  I'm not saying Microsoft are some holier than thou corporation but you seem to be taking a very blinkered view of them ignoring the fact they actually do a awful lot of good for some parties that they really have no obligation to do.  I would add they don't do this for PR as you rarely hear about the charitable work the company does.  You could argue that they do the education deals to try and capture a audience for their products early on but the point is these people would still have to use Microsoft products given the marketshare so would arguably have to buy them anyway.

My point stands that all gaming companies are out for your money, they just have different methods of getting it.  I would hardly call Sony's response to YLOD and dead Bluray laser issues of not replacing them on launch models as caring about a consumer more than the others.  Hell even Nintendo offered a recall on launch Wii's that had a certain laser fitted that may have issues with some of their newer titles.

 

The XBL fee is so they can provide a service to ahigh standard and maintain it to that standard.  I would rather pay for a better service and I've always felt XBL is a far superior service to PSN and happily paid for the privilidge.  My XBL account costs me 8p per day, I spend more on parking in ayear than I do on XBL and get zero enjoyment for that privilidge.  If it was £10 per month I'd agree it might make me think twice but in the grand scheme of things they've been upfront about the cost and only ever improved the service so I fail to see how it's an issue unless you have some "principle" about not paying for a receiving a good service...



TruckOSaurus said:
ThePS3News said:
Soonerman said:
Lol no. They thought they could shove expensive crap down people's throats. Just look at the Vita and ridiculous prices on the accessories!


Yes Sony has recently had to charge more then their competitiors on thier products. But the real question is was IT worth the investment.

The Vita may be expensive but it does/offers alot then its competitor. Just need to wait on the "Must have" games.

I haven't read the whole thread (and I won't) but I'm jumping in right here. If we take the PS3 as an example, 599$ was not worth it. I waited a year and a half ( to buy a PS3 until the release of MGS4) and I missed nothing of worth and paid less. From my point of view, early adopters got royally screwed.

Well it really depends on how you viewed the PS3 at the time in 2006.

$599 for a system that at the time offered Blu-ray, Free online, Free Internet browser, Blue tooth capiablities, More Realiable then the "Other Guy", and had a decent amount of exclusives games at the time seemed like a deal to me. (Not to mention it was ofcourse more powerful then the other consoles)

Also MGS4 in my opinion was not the first "Must Have" game only on the PS3. I would proably say Uncharted: Drake fortune was, But thats just me...

OT: If you are not gonna read the whole OP of the thread, then you have already defeated the purpose of understanding and answering the question of the title...



ThePS3News said:

Sony has always been trying there hardest to have the "Most Powerful" platform on the market since they entered the gaming industry. They have suffered losses from both the PS2, PS3, and now PS Vita due to craming in so much tech and specs at lauch in their platforms.

WRONG

PS2 was the least powerful of the three consoles that gen, and PS1 was weaker than N64. It's just that CD's were a better format on PS1, while PS2 was so much more popular that it effectively held the other two platforms back. You just need to look at a Gamecube exclusive like Star Wars Rogue Squadron to see the difference in graphics.

People just assume because recent consoles like PS3, PSP and Vita are powerful that it's always been that way. Not at all true.



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I do want to say Sony cares more about the gamers from the other companies.. letting their big 3rd party exclusives like monster hunter, tekken, final fantasy,devil may cry etc just go on to appear on other platforms and doing absoluty nothing about it is a sign of a big heart..



 

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ThePS3News said:
TruckOSaurus said:
ThePS3News said:
Soonerman said:
Lol no. They thought they could shove expensive crap down people's throats. Just look at the Vita and ridiculous prices on the accessories!


Yes Sony has recently had to charge more then their competitiors on thier products. But the real question is was IT worth the investment.

The Vita may be expensive but it does/offers alot then its competitor. Just need to wait on the "Must have" games.

I haven't read the whole thread (and I won't) but I'm jumping in right here. If we take the PS3 as an example, 599$ was not worth it. I waited a year and a half ( to buy a PS3 until the release of MGS4) and I missed nothing of worth and paid less. From my point of view, early adopters got royally screwed.

Well it really depends on how you viewed the PS3 at the time in 2006.

$599 for a system that at the time offered Blu-ray, Free online, Free Internet browser, Blue tooth capiablities, More Realiable then the "Other Guy", and had a decent amount of exclusives games at the time seemed like a deal to me. (Not to mention it was ofcourse more powerful then the other consoles)

Also MGS4 in my opinion was not the first "Must Have" game only on the PS3. I would proably say Uncharted: Drake fortune was, But thats just me...

OT: If you are not gonna read the whole OP of the thread, then you have already defeated the purpose of understanding and answering the question of the title...

I read the whole OP, not the whole thread (i.e. all 100+ replies).

About your list of features: the Blu-Ray player wasn't a big deal for me (still isn't) and I know it's the same for a lot of people, it certainly wasn't as big a deal as the DVD player in the PS2. Free online is nothing when the games hold no interest. Who the hell ever paid for an Internet Browser? What good is reliability when you don't have anything to play?

WARNING: The above paragraph is written from my point of view and represents how I viewed the PS3 before the MGS4 release.

But all this is steering a bit off course, the main thing is that Sony put all these features in the PS3 not because they are generous and caring but just because they thought it would get them more business.



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