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leatherhat on 04 January 2012

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akihabara_massacre

Look at how well tight gun control protected Japan



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KungKras on 04 January 2012
Galaki said:
If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns. Why can't people understand that?

because it will be harder for outlaws to get guns?



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leatherhat on 04 January 2012
Player1x3 said:
leatherhat said:
Its not about home defense or hunting. Its about making sure the people can always "take care" of the government if they overstep their bounds, which America has apparently forgotten.


You honestly think american people can defeat government controlled US Army? Or did I misunderstood you?


Yes, and without too much difficulty 



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steverhcp02 on 04 January 2012
KungKras said:
Galaki said:
If you outlaw guns, then only outlaws will have guns. Why can't people understand that?

because it will be harder for outlaws to get guns?

Prohibition. Criminals who desire to own will still own, the only thing outlawing guns does is let criminals know theyre in charge. Outlawing guns would be unspeakably bad for this country. Id reckon to guess that a large chunk of criminal guns are illegal anyways so it changes nothing.




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brendude13 on 04 January 2012
leatherhat said:
Its not about home defense or hunting. Its about making sure the people can always "take care" of the government if they overstep their bounds, which America has apparently forgotten.

That sounds ridiculous and totally not feasible in this day and age.

I doubt a group of rednecks could topple the American government.

blkfish92 said:
Should crossbows be outlawed too? They can easily kill people too you know.

Not exactly the most suitable weapon for carrying out massacres though is it? If you have one with a big enough draw weight to kill someone then it's going to be a bitch to reload each time.

Should guns be outlawed in America?

NO! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dxm_W3uNYw

They are a lot of fun, I would love to have my own gun and the land to use it, but they are only fun in responsible hands. There are far too many idiots out there who would use them for armed robbery, murders, or even worse, massacres. I don't think guns should be outlawed at all, but they do need tighter restrictions. Police need to dig deep into their past and they should require some kind of training and assessment too. Restrictions should be tighter for more powerful and fully automatic weapons. I'm just guessing at the moment, I don't live in America and these laws might already be in place, but if they aren't, they should be.

The UK and most of the world need to ease up on their gun laws.



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kanageddaamen on 04 January 2012
maximus22 said:
kanageddaamen said:
maximus22 said:
kanageddaamen said:

I think gun ownership is idiotic, a practice done only by hunters and paranoid nut jobs.

I also think people should have a right to be hunters, or paranoid nut jobs.

Gun ownership is a lot like drug use (which is funny because people advocating for personal freedom in one usual are against personal freedom in the other) The VAST majority of gun owners will never shoot a person, and the vast majority of those who do will do so in self defense, just like the VAST majority of drug users will never have their choices impact a single other person negatively.  You can't use the "possibilty of damage" to justify stripping people of personal liberties.

What Americans REALLY need to learn is that we should not be telling people what we think they should and should not be doing in the privacy of their own home.

Also, 2 side notes.

1.) An armed militia will NEVER be able to overthrow the government. I can't believe people compare it to Iraq. Even if you get 1000 people with AK 47s, a squadron of tanks could easily roll in and squash them. The 2nd amendment was really only applicable when both sides (government and citizens) had access to the same arms. Republicans bloating of the defense budget has ensured that those days are gone forever

2.) I grew up with a Swedish step mother and Scandanavian socialism will NEVER work here. We have a much more achievement oriented society, where we are willing to sacrifice a standard of living for potential gain through ingenuity and hard work. What is unfortunate, is that the "American Dream" seems to be disappearing as the insane balance of wealth shift that has occurred over the last 3 decades has made it increasingly difficult for the average man to get these achievements.

I tried but I can't see how gun ownership is anything like drug use but, okay?   Also, you can bury your head in the sand all you want about paranoia, these are your opinions and you are welcome to them.  The hogwash about a squadron of tanks crushing a thousand people is simply laughable, though.  If that were true America would have been in and out of Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam in a matter of weeks.  I myself can go down the street to my local sporting goods store and make anti tank mines and many other types of explosives.  Plus, 1000 people would only be the beginning. 

People like you have underestimated the power of a people's will to be free throughout history and been proven wrong perpetually.

Both are personal choices that MAY impact others if practice by irresponsible people.  Both are done by millions of people without having impact on anyone else.  Both are railed against by groups of people because of their POTENTIAL impact on others.  How do you not see how they are the same?

Comparing an external, unpopular occupation with the attempt to overthrow the government by treasonous buffoons, and the show of force for each, is worse than laughable.


I see, so gun ownership is also the same thing as Religion, Homosexual Relationships, Heterosexual Relationships and Food.  Sorry I didn't know you were going that broad.

I was using those as a reference for squadrons of tanks being defeated by people with AK's. 

Anywho, when the government is run by treasonous buffoons ... ah forget it.

Gun ownership is the same as any potentially dangerous personal choice that the government has no business regulating, but does have a business punishing neglectful, irresponsible, or intentionally damaging practice thereof.

If you want to live in a democracy (or democratic republic) then you are subject to the will of the majority.  If you don't like the governement, enact change through changing public opinion via persuasive argument and valid principles.  "I'm takin' 'merica BACK with my collection of drunkin lackeys" is a sure route to failure.



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ASStronaut on 04 January 2012
Andrespetmonkey said:
Kudistos Megistos said:
travis said:
leatherhat said:
Its not about home defense or hunting. Its about making sure the people can always "take care" of the government if they overstep their bounds, which America has apparently forgotten.


Americans are funny. Paranoid and complety freaked out by their government but beeing raped by their corporations and Banks (just think about the subprimes crisis..). Scandinavian countries have strong welfare state and the higher standard of living in the world. Stop beeing afraid of goverment and make it cares about the people it supposes to serve. In the end I would be scared too anyway since United states are barely a democracy ruled by corporate lobbies, mainstream medias and wealthy policians...

 

Sorry for beeing pessimistic and annoying, it's just how the world make me feel at the moment.

 

Scandinavian countries are great if you don't mind paying 50% tax and having a ridiculously high cost of living.

I guess the high standard of living is why you have such low suicide rates?

Incidentally, the US scores higher than two of the three Scandinavian countries according to commonly used Human Devlopment Index, even though said index doesn't take the US's greatest strengths into account. The only Scandinavian  country that does score extremely well just happens to be an oil state, and its two biggest flaws are, conveniently, not measured.

Well they must be doing something right in scandinavian countries since they tend to have some of the lowest crime rates, best healthcare, best education, highest quality of life, and be among the most peaceful and least corrupt. 

http://nationranking.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/2011-qli2.png

And about the suicide rates...

This is from the Edinburgh university library online resources:

"The myth of Swedish suicide” has its roots in the late-1950s when the American President Dwight D. Eisenhower referred to it in a speech which had been based on an inaccurate briefing. The President had tried to paint a negative picture of Sweden, a nation which - with its cradle-to-grave socialism - had set itself on a post-war neutral stance outside the then embryonic-NATO and American influence. Ever since many people have accepted the picture as fact and perpetuate the myth."

Norway actually ranks lower than USA and Canada among male suicides.

Keep in mind that these countries have very long dark winters, this also atributes to suicides.

Looking at those Nations Rankings, I never knew USA was that shit yet Americans go on like it's some sort of paradise. lol.



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leatherhat on 04 January 2012
brendude13 said:
leatherhat said:
Its not about home defense or hunting. Its about making sure the people can always "take care" of the government if they overstep their bounds, which America has apparently forgotten.

That sounds ridiculous and totally not feasible in this day and age.

I doubt a group of rednecks could topple the American government.

I doubt a group of 3rd world muslims could topple the American millitary. Oh wait.



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Andrespetmonkey on 04 January 2012
ASStronaut said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Kudistos Megistos said:
travis said:
leatherhat said:
Its not about home defense or hunting. Its about making sure the people can always "take care" of the government if they overstep their bounds, which America has apparently forgotten.


Americans are funny. Paranoid and complety freaked out by their government but beeing raped by their corporations and Banks (just think about the subprimes crisis..). Scandinavian countries have strong welfare state and the higher standard of living in the world. Stop beeing afraid of goverment and make it cares about the people it supposes to serve. In the end I would be scared too anyway since United states are barely a democracy ruled by corporate lobbies, mainstream medias and wealthy policians...

 

Sorry for beeing pessimistic and annoying, it's just how the world make me feel at the moment.

 

Scandinavian countries are great if you don't mind paying 50% tax and having a ridiculously high cost of living.

I guess the high standard of living is why you have such low suicide rates?

Incidentally, the US scores higher than two of the three Scandinavian countries according to commonly used Human Devlopment Index, even though said index doesn't take the US's greatest strengths into account. The only Scandinavian  country that does score extremely well just happens to be an oil state, and its two biggest flaws are, conveniently, not measured.

Well they must be doing something right in scandinavian countries since they tend to have some of the lowest crime rates, best healthcare, best education, highest quality of life, and be among the most peaceful and least corrupt. 

http://nationranking.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/2011-qli2.png

And about the suicide rates...

This is from the Edinburgh university library online resources:

"The myth of Swedish suicide” has its roots in the late-1950s when the American President Dwight D. Eisenhower referred to it in a speech which had been based on an inaccurate briefing. The President had tried to paint a negative picture of Sweden, a nation which - with its cradle-to-grave socialism - had set itself on a post-war neutral stance outside the then embryonic-NATO and American influence. Ever since many people have accepted the picture as fact and perpetuate the myth."

Norway actually ranks lower than USA and Canada among male suicides.

Keep in mind that these countries have very long dark winters, this also atributes to suicides.

Looking at those Nations Rankings, I never knew USA was that shit yet Americans go on like it's some sort of paradise. lol.

Yeah, the US is pretty low on these things compared to the rest of the developed world, infact the US is usually the odd one out in trends that happen among developed countries, I don't really know why though. But to be fair, the west coast and upper east coast states are probably close to or on par with western europe.



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maximus22 on 04 January 2012
steverhcp02 said:
maximus22 said:
kanageddaamen said:
maximus22 said:
kanageddaamen said:

 


I see, so gun ownership is also the same thing as Religion, Homosexual Relationships, Heterosexual Relationships and Food.  Sorry I didn't know you were going that broad.

I was using those as a reference for squadrons of tanks being defeated by people with AK's. 

Anywho, when the government is run by treasonous buffoons ... ah forget it.

No please elaborate. Let me finish for you.....you walk into a supermarket in Arizona and shoot one of hose buffoons in the head with your handgun.....right? 

Spot on.  Get out of my head.