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if you do any amount of research and Christianity in general you will see that its all fake. Jesus is basically a replacement for the god of the sun for Egypt. Jesus literally IS the sun. all the "facts" about Jesus were copied from past godlike figures, ancient Egypt,Greece, ect.



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spurgeonryan said:
Dr.Grass said:
spurgeonryan said:
So Noble you think this current assocciation that we have between Christmas and Jesus is fine? I say move his birthday so that people who know nothing about religion don't get the wrong idea.


I tell myself every time: ''He/She is happy, leave them be...You've been sorry for 'getting into it' so many times. Why can't you just LEARN''

That said, you have my full support for the underlined.

 

Your comment above really made me chuckle. I'm curious where the number 5 came from though. Obviously you are teasing/joking with the statement, but do you, as VGChartz's most active member (from what I can see) keep different lists of members with their respective post histories and stuff? You know, kind of like a crazy murderer's room with pics and notes and blood on the wall and stuff?

:-|

I have not time for that type of thing, I was just murdered in the mafia game. So my life has been busy as you can see.

 

 

Dr. Grass 5...6

#6

 

Oh! Was I not writing in my head?

You'd be wrong...

Let us look at the original Greek:

''oudeis erketai pros ton patera ei ma di emou.''

That word - 'erketai' is significant. It is an extreme present tense word, i.e. locally in space and time... ''No one here and now can come to the Father except through me.'' - i.e. ''please listen to what I have to say''

A different word would've been used if the above wasn't strongly implied. Problem is that people don't care about the actual fact. They are more concerned with sticking to their beliefs.



Slimebeast said:
Dr.Grass said:
- Jesus' birth story is most likely a fabrication

- He went to India and learnt Buddhism and Vaisnavism

- The Christianity lived out by his 'believers' is very far removed from the ascetic, simple lifestyle he practically showed

- He was most probably a vegetarian

- He possibly never drank any wine

- He never stated he was the only way

- We should worship the Sun once again (the Moon, earth and elements also)


Ok, so which one of those points do stand by most strongly? More importantly, are any of them false?

Wishful thinking.

On topic I agree that we shouldn't make a big deal out of Jesus' birthday even if we knew the exact date because those are pagan ways. A Christian should celebrate Jesus every day.


- There are several independent temple archives that explain how Issa putra (son of God) came from the mlecha countries of the west (mlecha = uncultured) and how he learnt the spiritual teachings of India. There are even scriptural predictions of him coming to India (Bhavishya Purana; Compiled well before Jesus' birth). 

- the word 'flesh' is never used in connection to Jesus. The word for flesh is 'kreas'. This is never, ever used in connection to Jesus. The common translation of ''... Jesus said gave him meat to eat'', is translated from the word 'trophe' which simply means 'to eat'. Not to mention the dead sea scrolls, James (Jesus' brother who was certainly a vegetarian), etc.

- The word always translated for wine is 'oinos'. There is strong historical proof that this referred to a thickened grape juice that was specifically prepared not to spoil. This point is a little harder to factually verify, but no doubt it is very possibly true - the traditions of the east do not condone intoxication.

- the only way: Answered in post above.

 

These things I'm just giving from memory, so some of the Greek words might be spelt wrong. In any case, I've done much research on this matter and several talks at Uni, so I'd be happy if someone challenges me.



usrevenge said:
if you do any amount of research and Christianity in general you will see that its all fake. Jesus is basically a replacement for the god of the sun for Egypt. Jesus literally IS the sun. all the "facts" about Jesus were copied from past godlike figures, ancient Egypt,Greece, ect.


Your observation is certainly correct, but it was probably interpolated into the Jesus-story. I doubt very much that he didn't exist at all. One thing though - there is no proof for his birth - which there should be considering the king was apparantly executing babies at that time yet this didn't happen according history. My guess is that the story of Krishna's birth was used by the early creators of Christianity.

The specific reason why I think he did exist are the references to him in eastern traditions. Those cultures care not for western history, yet there are several independent references to him.

One of the most fascinating (and important!) topics imho.



Yeah I remember seeing something about this somewhere (I'm a documentary junkie), about how the Dec 25th thing used to be a festival/feast celebration thingy before it was Christmas, but I think this is the first time I've seen someone pinpoint the actual birth date



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Just a thought. If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then is it even correct to say that he was born in the first place?

Either way, I remember watching some second rate documentary on Jesus's birth a few years ago. No date is given, but there are mentions of things like astronomical and regal events that allow you to approximate when he was born. The conclussion was that it was likely he was born around May/June. As I said though, this was a second rate documentary and wasn't particularly trustworthy.

I/Google can't seem to find the documentary though. Also, the link in the article seems to be dead, so I can't tell what his reasoning was for May.



Dr.Grass said:
Slimebeast said:
Dr.Grass said:
- Jesus' birth story is most likely a fabrication

- He went to India and learnt Buddhism and Vaisnavism

- The Christianity lived out by his 'believers' is very far removed from the ascetic, simple lifestyle he practically showed

- He was most probably a vegetarian

- He possibly never drank any wine

- He never stated he was the only way

- We should worship the Sun once again (the Moon, earth and elements also)


Ok, so which one of those points do stand by most strongly? More importantly, are any of them false?

Wishful thinking.

On topic I agree that we shouldn't make a big deal out of Jesus' birthday even if we knew the exact date because those are pagan ways. A Christian should celebrate Jesus every day.


- There are several independent temple archives that explain how Issa putra (son of God) came from the mlecha countries of the west (mlecha = uncultured) and how he learnt the spiritual teachings of India. There are even scriptural predictions of him coming to India (Bhavishya Purana; Compiled well before Jesus' birth). 

- the word 'flesh' is never used in connection to Jesus. The word for flesh is 'kreas'. This is never, ever used in connection to Jesus. The common translation of ''... Jesus said gave him meat to eat'', is translated from the word 'trophe' which simply means 'to eat'. Not to mention the dead sea scrolls, James (Jesus' brother who was certainly a vegetarian), etc.

- The word always translated for wine is 'oinos'. There is strong historical proof that this referred to a thickened grape juice that was specifically prepared not to spoil. This point is a little harder to factually verify, but no doubt it is very possibly true - the traditions of the east do not condone intoxication.

- the only way: Answered in post above.

 

These things I'm just giving from memory, so some of the Greek words might be spelt wrong. In any case, I've done much research on this matter and several talks at Uni, so I'd be happy if someone challenges me.

- "Temple archives"? From India? It's a ridicilous theory (that Jesus went to India and studied buddhism).

- Flesh or not, Luke 24:41:

41And while [since] they still could not believe it for sheer joy and marveled, He said to them, Have you anything here to eat?

    42They gave Him a piece of broiled fish,

    43And He took [it] and ate [it] before them

You aren't a vegetarian if you eat fish. And most likely Jesus ate the Passover lamb too. I'd very much like Jesus to be a vegetarian but the facts are against it.

- The grape juice argument. It's says clearly time and time again in the Bible that people get intoxicated (happyness, be filled with the Spirit instead of wine, absence from wine, absence from drinking, bad judgement etc) from drinking this grape juice and that's the definition of wine.

- John 14:6 "No one comes to the Father except through me"



highwaystar101 said:

Just a thought. If you believe Jesus was the son of God, then is it even correct to say that he was born in the first place?

Born as a human. He physically came out from a woman. The start of his physical mission on earth. So it's very logical to say Jesus was born on a specific date.



usrevenge said:
if you do any amount of research and Christianity in general you will see that its all fake. Jesus is basically a replacement for the god of the sun for Egypt. Jesus literally IS the sun. all the "facts" about Jesus were copied from past godlike figures, ancient Egypt,Greece, ect.

That is just so stupid. Do you also believe in the NWO and that 9/11 was an inside job?



Slimebeast said:
Dr.Grass said:
Slimebeast said:
Dr.Grass said:
- Jesus' birth story is most likely a fabrication

- He went to India and learnt Buddhism and Vaisnavism

- The Christianity lived out by his 'believers' is very far removed from the ascetic, simple lifestyle he practically showed

- He was most probably a vegetarian

- He possibly never drank any wine

- He never stated he was the only way

- We should worship the Sun once again (the Moon, earth and elements also)


Ok, so which one of those points do stand by most strongly? More importantly, are any of them false?

Wishful thinking.

On topic I agree that we shouldn't make a big deal out of Jesus' birthday even if we knew the exact date because those are pagan ways. A Christian should celebrate Jesus every day.


- There are several independent temple archives that explain how Issa putra (son of God) came from the mlecha countries of the west (mlecha = uncultured) and how he learnt the spiritual teachings of India. There are even scriptural predictions of him coming to India (Bhavishya Purana; Compiled well before Jesus' birth). 

- the word 'flesh' is never used in connection to Jesus. The word for flesh is 'kreas'. This is never, ever used in connection to Jesus. The common translation of ''... Jesus said gave him meat to eat'', is translated from the word 'trophe' which simply means 'to eat'. Not to mention the dead sea scrolls, James (Jesus' brother who was certainly a vegetarian), etc.

- The word always translated for wine is 'oinos'. There is strong historical proof that this referred to a thickened grape juice that was specifically prepared not to spoil. This point is a little harder to factually verify, but no doubt it is very possibly true - the traditions of the east do not condone intoxication.

- the only way: Answered in post above.

 

These things I'm just giving from memory, so some of the Greek words might be spelt wrong. In any case, I've done much research on this matter and several talks at Uni, so I'd be happy if someone challenges me.

- "Temple archives"? From India? It's a ridicilous theory (that Jesus went to India and studied buddhism).

- Flesh or not, Luke 24:41:

41And while [since] they still could not believe it for sheer joy and marveled, He said to them, Have you anything here to eat?

    42They gave Him a piece of broiled fish,

    43And He took [it] and ate [it] before them

You aren't a vegetarian if you eat fish. And most likely Jesus ate the Passover lamb too. I'd very much like Jesus to be a vegetarian but the facts are against it.

- The grape juice argument. It's says clearly time and time again in the Bible that people get intoxicated (happyness, be filled with the Spirit instead of wine, absence from wine, absence from drinking, bad judgement etc) from drinking this grape juice and that's the definition of wine.

- John 14:6 "No one comes to the Father except through me"


It's better we don't continue this...We've been so civil of late and I'd hate to end that