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Stefl1504 on 30 November 2011
crissindahouse said:
lol sry but living in a sozialbau isn't what i meant. i was talking about a normal life and 10€ per squaremeter for the lowest art to live is expensive as well.

for example here in my small city you have to pay like 7-8€ for a nice place which isn't a “sozialbau“. there you live only with one other family in a stand alone house or so.

what i said if you earn enough you can live great in cities especially in this expensive cities but if not you can't afford a nice 120 squaremeters apartement.

and to your point that there are better places in austria sure but they only have big cities in this. for me for example a nice small town is always better than a million+ city. but the point that the shops close 1.5 hours earlier on saturdays is really not so important lol. and for people who work in those shops it's better to close earlier so they have a better life then^^

You can't compare a german "Sozialbau" to an Austrian... I have been in Austrian social buildings and the apts inside them look better than my apt does.



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Barozi on 30 November 2011

Wasn't Vienna already the winner last year or something ?
Only German city I can't understand being up there so high (especially in the safety ranking) is Frankfurt. They have the highest amount of criminal delicts per 100.000 citizens in all of Germany's 80 cities with a population over 100k.



Acevil on 30 November 2011

Ranked 15th, really surprised honestly. I always thought European nations had better cities. Vancouver is 5th and I bet Montreal is somewhere near Toronto.

Add: I just got back from ranked 216 aka most dangerous city in Asia (apparantly). 



 

ArnoldRimmer on 30 November 2011

I've heard a number of times that Vienna is a very beautiful city, but I wouldn't have thought it would make it to the top spot. Congrats.

What I'm really surprised about is that Frankfurt made it to the top 10. It's been having the worst crime rates of all german cities for years now, and in my opinion it is actually quite ugly.



Shinobi-san on 30 November 2011

WOW Cape Town South Africa no. 88

Seems to be the highest or 2nd highest across Africa and Middle East countries



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Shinobi-san on 30 November 2011

I guess 88 isnt great :/ but its better than living in a war-torn country



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Vas-y on 30 November 2011

I still don't get those city rankings... but all I can say is that I like living in Vienna. It was a good choice to escape the countryside and its stubborn thinking.



ProdigyBam on 30 November 2011

LOL frankfurt a good place to live?
there are too many criminal foreigners (also known as turks and arabs)



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Nintendogamer on 30 November 2011

I knew Vancouver will be in the list, gorgeous place.



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Alphachris on 30 November 2011
Stefl1504 said:


Oh, rents in Vienna are pretty low, if you don't have much money you can go live in a "Sozialbau" where you pay the third of a normal rent and you pay around 10€ per m² if you have enough money to afford a living, also, if you can't afford a "Sozialbau" you still can go to a homeless shelter (I asume they aren't that bad since my father enjoyed living in them for a while ;P).

With the lowest salaries (minimum wage - except waste disposal industry) for a full time job in Austria starting at 1000 € monthly (14000€ a year) (Data of 2009) you have a monthly after tax value of 849,30 available and two times 859,30 summing to 11.910,20 € a year, so you could afford arround 30m² without serious issues - i pay for ~27 m² about 280 € a little too much, but come around with ~480 € a month with food and everything. So in my eyes living costs arent that high in Austria...

EDIT: if you wonder what you would have left of your salary (netto) in Austria type in here what your total salary is (brutto);

Also I want to say, since I am a student I only get something called Familienbeihilfe (211,1 € per Month) and 280 € from my Mom, so 480 is pretty much everything I have ;P

Vienna: It is nice that Austria is regarded as a good place to live in.

To be precise you pay no income tax at all if you earn only € 14.000 a year. You just have to pay € 2.089 for health insurance, unemployment insurance, accident insurance and retirement pension insurance. This amount is not a tax because you get access to medicare, unemployment benefits and a retirement pension.

I appreciate the social system here in Austria. If you suffer from cancer you don't have to worry about how to pay for the treatment (although there still are some situations where you don't have access to social insurances). The high social standard might also be the reason why there are only a few heavy crimes here. It is still something unusual if you read something about murder in the newspaper... just happens not every day here. And if you get killed you have a very high chance of knowing your killer personally since most cases happen within the family or in love relationships.

 

 

Frankfurt: don't forget about Frankfurt Airport... the criminal statistics is heavily inflated.