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oniyide said:

@first bolded.   Then he shouldnt freaking talk!! Its that simple, if you're not backing up what you're saying, say nothing. I dont care for anyone is just talks smack. And people in NA wanted him to talk?? WHo are these people, the small minority of Ninty fanboys?? and look how some of them turned on him.

2ndIm not saying the other two dont talk, but Reggie has been the worst. IMHO. As for SCEA that makes Reggie look even worse. They do a hell of alot more and you hardly hear from them. Except for D.Jaffe

3rd is that right?? I dont buy it, prove. and again it makes him look even dumber, if he doesnt have that much power all the more reason to shut up and just cashe the checks. Weaker dogs bark the loudest and all that.

4th  ?? not much to do with Reggie, sounds like a problem with Ninty at the very top. ALl comes back to them needing more studios, this is where MS and SONy (maybe not MS) absolutely stomp on Ninty at.

5th  that would be something, it'll be a cold day in hell. but something


Look you say Reggie shouldn't talk if he doesn't have the authority and power to deliver. Reggie says what Japan wants him to, he says what Nintendo's policies are and what Nintendo intends. If Reggie promises casual titles in 2012 and Nintendo doesn't deliver is that Reggie's fault? No Reggie isn't actually in charge of product development. He has input but he does not actually control the development process or have complete say over what is being made.

Also Reggie can't not talk, its his job to speak for Nintendo. Nintendo Japan wants something expressed to North America Reggie expresses it. Nintendo needs someone to try and sell a new product they made in North America, well there Reggie is to talk about it. Reggie is a President who is a marketing expert that doesn't market an expert in targeting different audiences and turning companies around who doesn't actually create or have control over the products.

Reggie is a President who isn't a President. Not saying Nintendo in Japan is in any way bad at what they do. just that they have this marketing genius business expert on a leash. If Nintendo really wants to utilize him and improve North America then they need to give him way more control and say.

As for the fans who wanted Reggie to speak. I'm sorry after his first E3 the internet, the media the whole gaming world was a buzz hanging on his every word. Every E3 since everyone looks forward to hearing Reggie, look when Cammy tried to step in everyone freaked they wanted Reggie. The fact he is taking so much flack and Nintendo Of America taking such a hit. This is all funny because it isn't completely Reggie's fault.

Also yes I do attribute the problem of lack of studios in North America and the fact that all the existing studios target Japan first and North America is second thought. I do attribute that as a problem in Japan hence why I said Reggie wasn't to blame. I doubt if Reggie asked Iwata and said "Hey Iwata-san we need 4 new studios in North America and those studios need to make content for the western market and I should head these studios to ensure they market well in North America" Do you really think Iwata would say "Yah sure Reggie we hired you to run NOA, what ever you need". No Iwata is brilliant but he wouldn't give that much control to Reggie or NOA at best he might say "Reggie your right we need more North American studios, I'll send Miyamoto or one of our other heads to create some new studios in North America. I'll be sure that we lead them to greatness".

Iwata would never to my knowledge give Reggie that kind of control. But that is exactly the kind of control Reggie needs to do his job to his full capabilities. When Nintendo Of America has 3-4 EAD NA studios and Reggie and NOA actually control the content and are making it for North America. Then if Nintendo is still struggling in NA in any way, then you can blame Reggie.

However as it stands Nintendo in Japan is really the ones responsible. Everyone knows this including Nintendo's leadership in Japan. Iwata didn't take a 50% pay cut because it was Reggie's fault. Nintendo centers to much around Japan and not their global operations. They have so much potential they are missing by remaining completely focused on Japan. NOA and NOE need more power and more capabilities, then all of the regions need to work together better and more equally then they do now.

Sony, Capcom, Koei, Square...etc...etc... are all realizing focusing entirely on Japan won't help them advance. You need to focus on North America as well, its fine to keep making products for Japan they sell alright in NA and EU. But you can't always focus entirely on Japan because your competitors are no longer in that mind set. Japan is not the center of the gaming universe anymore it may still be one of the most important global markets. But you need to focus a bit on the other ones as well and if you hire a prodigy like Reggie you need to give him the power and capabilities to actually change Nintendo in North America!



-JC7

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Reggie =/= Shigeru. That's part of the problem.



Joelcool7 said:
oniyide said:
 

@first bolded.   Then he shouldnt freaking talk!! Its that simple, if you're not backing up what you're saying, say nothing. I dont care for anyone is just talks smack. And people in NA wanted him to talk?? WHo are these people, the small minority of Ninty fanboys?? and look how some of them turned on him.

2ndIm not saying the other two dont talk, but Reggie has been the worst. IMHO. As for SCEA that makes Reggie look even worse. They do a hell of alot more and you hardly hear from them. Except for D.Jaffe

3rd is that right?? I dont buy it, prove. and again it makes him look even dumber, if he doesnt have that much power all the more reason to shut up and just cashe the checks. Weaker dogs bark the loudest and all that.

4th  ?? not much to do with Reggie, sounds like a problem with Ninty at the very top. ALl comes back to them needing more studios, this is where MS and SONy (maybe not MS) absolutely stomp on Ninty at.

5th  that would be something, it'll be a cold day in hell. but something


Look you say Reggie shouldn't talk if he doesn't have the authority and power to deliver. Reggie says what Japan wants him to, he says what Nintendo's policies are and what Nintendo intends. If Reggie promises casual titles in 2012 and Nintendo doesn't deliver is that Reggie's fault? No Reggie isn't actually in charge of product development. He has input but he does not actually control the development process or have complete say over what is being made.

Also Reggie can't not talk, its his job to speak for Nintendo. Nintendo Japan wants something expressed to North America Reggie expresses it. Nintendo needs someone to try and sell a new product they made in North America, well there Reggie is to talk about it. Reggie is a President who is a marketing expert that doesn't market an expert in targeting different audiences and turning companies around who doesn't actually create or have control over the products.

Reggie is a President who isn't a President. Not saying Nintendo in Japan is in any way bad at what they do. just that they have this marketing genius business expert on a leash. If Nintendo really wants to utilize him and improve North America then they need to give him way more control and say.

As for the fans who wanted Reggie to speak. I'm sorry after his first E3 the internet, the media the whole gaming world was a buzz hanging on his every word. Every E3 since everyone looks forward to hearing Reggie, look when Cammy tried to step in everyone freaked they wanted Reggie. The fact he is taking so much flack and Nintendo Of America taking such a hit. This is all funny because it isn't completely Reggie's fault.

Also yes I do attribute the problem of lack of studios in North America and the fact that all the existing studios target Japan first and North America is second thought. I do attribute that as a problem in Japan hence why I said Reggie wasn't to blame. I doubt if Reggie asked Iwata and said "Hey Iwata-san we need 4 new studios in North America and those studios need to make content for the western market and I should head these studios to ensure they market well in North America" Do you really think Iwata would say "Yah sure Reggie we hired you to run NOA, what ever you need". No Iwata is brilliant but he wouldn't give that much control to Reggie or NOA at best he might say "Reggie your right we need more North American studios, I'll send Miyamoto or one of our other heads to create some new studios in North America. I'll be sure that we lead them to greatness".

Iwata would never to my knowledge give Reggie that kind of control. But that is exactly the kind of control Reggie needs to do his job to his full capabilities. When Nintendo Of America has 3-4 EAD NA studios and Reggie and NOA actually control the content and are making it for North America. Then if Nintendo is still struggling in NA in any way, then you can blame Reggie.

However as it stands Nintendo in Japan is really the ones responsible. Everyone knows this including Nintendo's leadership in Japan. Iwata didn't take a 50% pay cut because it was Reggie's fault. Nintendo centers to much around Japan and not their global operations. They have so much potential they are missing by remaining completely focused on Japan. NOA and NOE need more power and more capabilities, then all of the regions need to work together better and more equally then they do now.

Sony, Capcom, Koei, Square...etc...etc... are all realizing focusing entirely on Japan won't help them advance. You need to focus on North America as well, its fine to keep making products for Japan they sell alright in NA and EU. But you can't always focus entirely on Japan because your competitors are no longer in that mind set. Japan is not the center of the gaming universe anymore it may still be one of the most important global markets. But you need to focus a bit on the other ones as well and if you hire a prodigy like Reggie you need to give him the power and capabilities to actually change Nintendo in North America!

What Japan wants him to say?? Are you kidding? We just had a thread where Reggie stated that the Move and Kinect were offering nothing, but anyone with common sense and an internet connection can see there have been more games supported for those two peripherials than any on Ninty's own. So Japan told him to say something so stupid?? I dont buy it, prove it.  Reggie has given reasons why he didnt want to publish prior games, Fatal Frame comes to mind, so you're telling me that was Ninty's decision all along?? I dont buy it. Reggie can not not talk, BS, ok even if that was true, he could say alot less crap when he speaks.  It sounds to me that you're trying to say he is essentially just a puppet, I seriously doubt that Iwata is telling this guy exactly what to say, if that is true then they are weak asses and using a scapegoat and going by their past actions i doubt that is the case. YOu wanna continue painting Reggie as a victim, i dont buy it, unless you have proof that that is the case, I will continue looking at this guy like the fool I'm sure he is.

Man with the text, Im not blaming Reggie for anything, except maybe Rainfall. I know they need studios in Japan, when i talk Ninty I talk Ninty, not NOA, NOE they are all under the same umbrella, you have me confused with someone else.  My problem with Reggie is he never shuts up and half the crap coming out of his mount lately is just that..crap.



oniyide said:
^^^^LOL, nobody it blaming Reggie for everything, just the OP Rainfall. Which i dont buy for a second that he didnt have anything to do with. I never liked him because he talks a bunch of crap and never really backs it up. He is simply riding off the success of what they are doing in Japan. What game studios do they have in the US??? Exactly so what is he really doing, scratch that, what is he doing that is soooo special. Not a damn thing, hell I dont hear the head of Sony or MS' US game divisions talk half as much and they do much more

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oniyide said:

What Japan wants him to say?? Are you kidding? We just had a thread where Reggie stated that the Move and Kinect were offering nothing, but anyone with common sense and an internet connection can see there have been more games supported for those two peripherials than any on Ninty's own. So Japan told him to say something so stupid?? I dont buy it, prove it.  Reggie has given reasons why he didnt want to publish prior games, Fatal Frame comes to mind, so you're telling me that was Ninty's decision all along?? I dont buy it. Reggie can not not talk, BS, ok even if that was true, he could say alot less crap when he speaks.  It sounds to me that you're trying to say he is essentially just a puppet, I seriously doubt that Iwata is telling this guy exactly what to say, if that is true then they are weak asses and using a scapegoat and going by their past actions i doubt that is the case. YOu wanna continue painting Reggie as a victim, i dont buy it, unless you have proof that that is the case, I will continue looking at this guy like the fool I'm sure he is.

Man with the text, Im not blaming Reggie for anything, except maybe Rainfall. I know they need studios in Japan, when i talk Ninty I talk Ninty, not NOA, NOE they are all under the same umbrella, you have me confused with someone else.  My problem with Reggie is he never shuts up and half the crap coming out of his mount lately is just that..crap.

lol I never said Japan writes Reggie's speech's I said he says what they want him too. Plus what do you honestly think he is going to say when asked about Move or Kinect? That they are great platforms with amazing games and Nintendo isn't better. Seriously do you think he'd have a job long if he said crap like that? Not to mention he really wasn't that far off in his statement. When you say peripherals you really are getting off, you can't use Motion+ as it is no longer a peripheral it comes in every Wiimote and with every system. If your talking the balance board you would be right.

Umm yah actually I would say while Reggie may have been involved in the decision I doubt he made it entirely himself. I mean look at the reasons he has given, they are the same reasons Nintendo has given since they brought Donkey Kong to North America. I mean why did Donkey Kong exist because Nintendo didn't think their game would sell in America so they changed it for North America. Do you really think that every Nintendo Of America President ever hired all thinks the exact same way? That Nintendo of Japan has nothing to do with their decisions? My proof is Mother and all the other games that never made it North America long before Reggie, every Nintendo President of America prior to Reggie.

Well I'm not going to address the whole suggestion Reggie could actually stop talking. But actually yah Reggie's job is to run Nintendo of America fro Nintendo's bosses in Japan. He does need to talk and he has to a lot, PR is the reason Nintendo has him and running operations in North America and dealing with the media and local retailers is his job. What good would a President be if he didn't even talk to media or the retailers or address the fanbase? I mean he already doesn't make every decision if he didn't talk whats the purpose in having him at all?

Lets ask you another question. How upset would you be if Nintendo shot down operation rainfall and he never said anything. The interviewers ask Nintendo's reasons and he doesn't give any, just keeps his mouth shut? If Kinect and Move launch and Microsoft and Sony say the devices are better then Nintendo's and Reggie is asked about it and goes "No comment". 3DS price cut gets announced and Reggie says ziltch. If Reggie just ignored you and all of your fans and said nothing. You would be even more pissed then you are now that or you'd be just as pissed. Reggie explains why Nintendo makes these decisions and if you don't like his explanation well too bad, at least he gave you one.

Umm nope Nintendo isn't using Reggie as a scape goat. He is just their voice in North America and handles their operations here. In fact Iwata and the higher ups in Japan assumed full responsability for the failures of this year. The media and upset fans are just in denial, they don't want to point the finger at Nintendo in Japan or Nintendo's policies they want someone else to blame. So they blame Reggie.

Also again the media and the upset fans complaining and pointing the finger at Reggie or even at Nintendo Japan. They really didn't do anything wrong in the first place. They slipped up with the pricing and lack of software but they had no reason to believe 3DS would fail as bad as it did. Bringing the games from Operation Rainfall to North America would barely break even if they did, best case scenerio the game sells 200K well it took a fotune to localize, manufacture, distribute , advertise and get on store shelves. Nintendo would either just barely squeze a profit out of it or such a small profit that the effort could be better used on a more profitable product.

Lastly if your not blaming Reggie for anything but Operation Rainfall why the heck do you seem to hate him so much? You clearly accuse him of multiple things like talking too much etc...etc... But in all honesty I think I gave good enough evidence to support what I said.

Is Reggie a puppet, not entirely but he certainly is not fully in charge of Nintendo of America. I said Reggie had his wings clipped and he has but he is doing an amazing job considering he doesn't have full control. I also don't think he needs full control, he just needs more then he currently has. A few studios to make western content which he controls entirely control completely over advertising in North America. Meaning if Japan says "We need to target elderly folk" and Reggie goes "In North America we need to target teenage girls". That in North America Reggie can target the market that makes most sense in America, while Japan targets the market that makes most sense in Japan. Reggie can then ask one of his three or four internal developers to make a game or two for teenage girls. Release the games with an ad campagn and target teenage girls.

Lets face it whats best for Japan isn't always best for America and vice versa. Reggie needs to be able to operate NOA more freely.



-JC7

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Joelcool7 said:
oniyide said:
 

What Japan wants him to say?? Are you kidding? We just had a thread where Reggie stated that the Move and Kinect were offering nothing, but anyone with common sense and an internet connection can see there have been more games supported for those two peripherials than any on Ninty's own. So Japan told him to say something so stupid?? I dont buy it, prove it.  Reggie has given reasons why he didnt want to publish prior games, Fatal Frame comes to mind, so you're telling me that was Ninty's decision all along?? I dont buy it. Reggie can not not talk, BS, ok even if that was true, he could say alot less crap when he speaks.  It sounds to me that you're trying to say he is essentially just a puppet, I seriously doubt that Iwata is telling this guy exactly what to say, if that is true then they are weak asses and using a scapegoat and going by their past actions i doubt that is the case. YOu wanna continue painting Reggie as a victim, i dont buy it, unless you have proof that that is the case, I will continue looking at this guy like the fool I'm sure he is.

Man with the text, Im not blaming Reggie for anything, except maybe Rainfall. I know they need studios in Japan, when i talk Ninty I talk Ninty, not NOA, NOE they are all under the same umbrella, you have me confused with someone else.  My problem with Reggie is he never shuts up and half the crap coming out of his mount lately is just that..crap.

lol I never said Japan writes Reggie's speech's I said he says what they want him too. Plus what do you honestly think he is going to say when asked about Move or Kinect? That they are great platforms with amazing games and Nintendo isn't better. Seriously do you think he'd have a job long if he said crap like that? Not to mention he really wasn't that far off in his statement. When you say peripherals you really are getting off, you can't use Motion+ as it is no longer a peripheral it comes in every Wiimote and with every system. If your talking the balance board you would be right.

Umm yah actually I would say while Reggie may have been involved in the decision I doubt he made it entirely himself. I mean look at the reasons he has given, they are the same reasons Nintendo has given since they brought Donkey Kong to North America. I mean why did Donkey Kong exist because Nintendo didn't think their game would sell in America so they changed it for North America. Do you really think that every Nintendo Of America President ever hired all thinks the exact same way? That Nintendo of Japan has nothing to do with their decisions? My proof is Mother and all the other games that never made it North America long before Reggie, every Nintendo President of America prior to Reggie.

Well I'm not going to address the whole suggestion Reggie could actually stop talking. But actually yah Reggie's job is to run Nintendo of America fro Nintendo's bosses in Japan. He does need to talk and he has to a lot, PR is the reason Nintendo has him and running operations in North America and dealing with the media and local retailers is his job. What good would a President be if he didn't even talk to media or the retailers or address the fanbase? I mean he already doesn't make every decision if he didn't talk whats the purpose in having him at all?

Lets ask you another question. How upset would you be if Nintendo shot down operation rainfall and he never said anything. The interviewers ask Nintendo's reasons and he doesn't give any, just keeps his mouth shut? If Kinect and Move launch and Microsoft and Sony say the devices are better then Nintendo's and Reggie is asked about it and goes "No comment". 3DS price cut gets announced and Reggie says ziltch. If Reggie just ignored you and all of your fans and said nothing. You would be even more pissed then you are now that or you'd be just as pissed. Reggie explains why Nintendo makes these decisions and if you don't like his explanation well too bad, at least he gave you one.

Umm nope Nintendo isn't using Reggie as a scape goat. He is just their voice in North America and handles their operations here. In fact Iwata and the higher ups in Japan assumed full responsability for the failures of this year. The media and upset fans are just in denial, they don't want to point the finger at Nintendo in Japan or Nintendo's policies they want someone else to blame. So they blame Reggie.

Also again the media and the upset fans complaining and pointing the finger at Reggie or even at Nintendo Japan. They really didn't do anything wrong in the first place. They slipped up with the pricing and lack of software but they had no reason to believe 3DS would fail as bad as it did. Bringing the games from Operation Rainfall to North America would barely break even if they did, best case scenerio the game sells 200K well it took a fotune to localize, manufacture, distribute , advertise and get on store shelves. Nintendo would either just barely squeze a profit out of it or such a small profit that the effort could be better used on a more profitable product.

Lastly if your not blaming Reggie for anything but Operation Rainfall why the heck do you seem to hate him so much? You clearly accuse him of multiple things like talking too much etc...etc... But in all honesty I think I gave good enough evidence to support what I said.

Is Reggie a puppet, not entirely but he certainly is not fully in charge of Nintendo of America. I said Reggie had his wings clipped and he has but he is doing an amazing job considering he doesn't have full control. I also don't think he needs full control, he just needs more then he currently has. A few studios to make western content which he controls entirely control completely over advertising in North America. Meaning if Japan says "We need to target elderly folk" and Reggie goes "In North America we need to target teenage girls". That in North America Reggie can target the market that makes most sense in America, while Japan targets the market that makes most sense in Japan. Reggie can then ask one of his three or four internal developers to make a game or two for teenage girls. Release the games with an ad campagn and target teenage girls.

Lets face it whats best for Japan isn't always best for America and vice versa. Reggie needs to be able to operate NOA more freely.

So, Japan told him to talk crap?? Which one is it?? As for Move and Kinect, go back and actually read what he said, it wasnt about which was better he was talking about content, and no KInect and Move provide more content than any of the peripherials that Ninty has put out, fact. Balance board, nada. Motion+, zilch. Now you wanna say it doesnt count because it no longer a periphial?? Bull, how much games were released prior to it become standard controller, actually thats even more pathetic because there not even taken advantage of the extra tech.

You keep bringing up Mother, how about using a game that came out THIS decade as a better example, im sure the policies are the same and that doesnt explain why those games released in Europe when the Americas is a bigger market for them. So either A, NOE has more power or B Reggie had a bigger influence on the decision than you care to admit or C Ninty just wants to poop on the Americas for the crap of it. All good options to me, hell i even like C I just wont give them my money.

??? He didnt give a reason, thats the point. THe last i heard of it, is "we are watching Europe closely" thats not a reason, thats weasling around the subject. If he had the balls to come out and just say, I dont think those games would sell, fine. Price cut?? Im a consumer, that decision was made by people higher than Reggie, I wouldnt expect him to have any say on it and its a price cut, why would i want an explanation. Yes If Reggie said no comment a lot more I WOULD be happy.

I'll say why i dont care for him, he talks trash, cant really back it up. IT seems to me like he is just a puppet. He reminds of one of those hype men in those rockandor rap groups. No real talent just sucking of the power teat at the time.



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oniyide said:

So, Japan told him to talk crap?? Which one is it?? As for Move and Kinect, go back and actually read what he said, it wasnt about which was better he was talking about content, and no KInect and Move provide more content than any of the peripherials that Ninty has put out, fact. Balance board, nada. Motion+, zilch. Now you wanna say it doesnt count because it no longer a periphial?? Bull, how much games were released prior to it become standard controller, actually thats even more pathetic because there not even taken advantage of the extra tech.

You keep bringing up Mother, how about using a game that came out THIS decade as a better example, im sure the policies are the same and that doesnt explain why those games released in Europe when the Americas is a bigger market for them. So either A, NOE has more power or B Reggie had a bigger influence on the decision than you care to admit or C Ninty just wants to poop on the Americas for the crap of it. All good options to me, hell i even like C I just wont give them my money.

??? He didnt give a reason, thats the point. THe last i heard of it, is "we are watching Europe closely" thats not a reason, thats weasling around the subject. If he had the balls to come out and just say, I dont think those games would sell, fine. Price cut?? Im a consumer, that decision was made by people higher than Reggie, I wouldnt expect him to have any say on it and its a price cut, why would i want an explanation. Yes If Reggie said no comment a lot more I WOULD be happy.

I'll say why i dont care for him, he talks trash, cant really back it up. IT seems to me like he is just a puppet. He reminds of one of those hype men in those rockandor rap groups. No real talent just sucking of the power teat at the time.

Japan expects Reggie to talk up their products and support their directions. Talking down competitors products is just something a VP is supposed to do. You don't hear Pepsi saying good things about Coke, you don't see Disney saying amazing things about Dreamworks or Walmart about Target. Yes Japan definitly expects him to trash talk its part of the job when you hire someone to market a product.

As for peripheral, you keep calling them peripherals but that isn't how Microsoft views Kinect at all. I said Motion+ isn't a peripheral because it isn't, if it is then Rumble in your PlayStation 3 controller and 360 controller is a peripheral. I mean it was Rumble pack on the 64 and there for its a peripheral, just because its in the hardware doesn't make it other wise.

What has Reggie said "have launched their movement devices, once the initial excitement, where are the games, cool experiences? They have been slow in putting this into practice." Look he wasn't commenting on console or peripheral he was talking motion control devices. I'm sorry you take so much offense to this but its true Microsoft and Sony have been slow to provide the quality software for their motion control devices that Nintendo has.

I'm looking for the old quotes from E3 2005. I remember Peter Moore talking about how 360 provided the classic games Nintendo didn't. I just can't seem to find the exact qoute was a long time ago. Sony said similar things about classic controls. But I didn't see the Nintendo fans freaking out saying "Classic Controller" is just a peripheral.

The companies heads are saying facts about their products to promote there products over the competition. If they were actually horrificly innaccurate I think Sony and Microsoft's heads would be irrate and responding constantly. But they don't because they know its true just like Nintendo knows they lack the classic games that Microsoft and Sony have.

Umm Reggie did say all that needed to be said but did it as politically as possible. His full sentence said "We will be watching very closely what happens in Europe. Certainly if there are business opportunities and positive consumer uptake from some of those titles, that will be great data for us to consider as we look at what to do with these titles." If there are business opertunities. Basically at the moment there is not business oppertunities if their is a positive consumer uptake from some of those titles that will be great data for us to consider.

Also note Reggie never made a final decision there. He never said the titles aren't coming and recently stated Zelda wasn't the last major Wii game. Meaning these titles could still make it.

As for the whole why the game came to NOE, I don't need to repeate myself again. Their are plenty of reasons for them to come to NOE and not NA. Then I again didn't say Reggie was completely blameless in the decision rather that he likely wasn't the final say that was Nintendo themselves.

Finally if it was his decision it was the smart one. You piss off what 200K potential customers a little but you save money and aren't taking a risk you know won't pay off. Porting a title with as little potential as 40K and as much as 200K is not worth it. You would barely break even if you did at all. It would be a bad business decision and those 200K angry customers aren't likely going to abandon Nintendo over the issue and if they did they are a very small amount of the consumer base that is more then happy with the decisions Nintendo has made.

I use Mother so much because it is so old. If I use a game less then a decade old like Animal Forest or Custom Robo(64) or Giftpia you probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Look at SNES, N64, GameCube at how many games were never brought to America its been going on forever and Nintendo has always explained that the titles just don't sell well in North America. Any that they think will later on make it to North America (Advance Wars, Animal Crossing (GC) and Custom Robo (GC)) but others remain in Japan.

Its funny other then Mother and Operation Rainfall I don't seem to recall this kind of anger over the dozens of games Nintendo never brought to NA in the past? Before Reggie became NOA President. Is it only the JRPG fans that seem to get their panties in a bunch over this issue?



-JC7

"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

He gets the blame because he is in charge of NoA. People in charge always get the blame. I don't know why you're so butthurt about people hating Reggie.

Reggie likes to talk a lot too. He says that the Wii will be supported alongside the Wii U. That's a load of crap because the Wii isn't getting any support right now.



Joelcool7 said:
oniyide said:
 

So, Japan told him to talk crap?? Which one is it?? As for Move and Kinect, go back and actually read what he said, it wasnt about which was better he was talking about content, and no KInect and Move provide more content than any of the peripherials that Ninty has put out, fact. Balance board, nada. Motion+, zilch. Now you wanna say it doesnt count because it no longer a periphial?? Bull, how much games were released prior to it become standard controller, actually thats even more pathetic because there not even taken advantage of the extra tech.

You keep bringing up Mother, how about using a game that came out THIS decade as a better example, im sure the policies are the same and that doesnt explain why those games released in Europe when the Americas is a bigger market for them. So either A, NOE has more power or B Reggie had a bigger influence on the decision than you care to admit or C Ninty just wants to poop on the Americas for the crap of it. All good options to me, hell i even like C I just wont give them my money.

??? He didnt give a reason, thats the point. THe last i heard of it, is "we are watching Europe closely" thats not a reason, thats weasling around the subject. If he had the balls to come out and just say, I dont think those games would sell, fine. Price cut?? Im a consumer, that decision was made by people higher than Reggie, I wouldnt expect him to have any say on it and its a price cut, why would i want an explanation. Yes If Reggie said no comment a lot more I WOULD be happy.

I'll say why i dont care for him, he talks trash, cant really back it up. IT seems to me like he is just a puppet. He reminds of one of those hype men in those rockandor rap groups. No real talent just sucking of the power teat at the time.

Japan expects Reggie to talk up their products and support their directions. Talking down competitors products is just something a VP is supposed to do. You don't hear Pepsi saying good things about Coke, you don't see Disney saying amazing things about Dreamworks or Walmart about Target. Yes Japan definitly expects him to trash talk its part of the job when you hire someone to market a product.

As for peripheral, you keep calling them peripherals but that isn't how Microsoft views Kinect at all. I said Motion+ isn't a peripheral because it isn't, if it is then Rumble in your PlayStation 3 controller and 360 controller is a peripheral. I mean it was Rumble pack on the 64 and there for its a peripheral, just because its in the hardware doesn't make it other wise.

What has Reggie said "have launched their movement devices, once the initial excitement, where are the games, cool experiences? They have been slow in putting this into practice." Look he wasn't commenting on console or peripheral he was talking motion control devices. I'm sorry you take so much offense to this but its true Microsoft and Sony have been slow to provide the quality software for their motion control devices that Nintendo has.

I'm looking for the old quotes from E3 2005. I remember Peter Moore talking about how 360 provided the classic games Nintendo didn't. I just can't seem to find the exact qoute was a long time ago. Sony said similar things about classic controls. But I didn't see the Nintendo fans freaking out saying "Classic Controller" is just a peripheral.

The companies heads are saying facts about their products to promote there products over the competition. If they were actually horrificly innaccurate I think Sony and Microsoft's heads would be irrate and responding constantly. But they don't because they know its true just like Nintendo knows they lack the classic games that Microsoft and Sony have.

Umm Reggie did say all that needed to be said but did it as politically as possible. His full sentence said "We will be watching very closely what happens in Europe. Certainly if there are business opportunities and positive consumer uptake from some of those titles, that will be great data for us to consider as we look at what to do with these titles." If there are business opertunities. Basically at the moment there is not business oppertunities if their is a positive consumer uptake from some of those titles that will be great data for us to consider.

Also note Reggie never made a final decision there. He never said the titles aren't coming and recently stated Zelda wasn't the last major Wii game. Meaning these titles could still make it.

As for the whole why the game came to NOE, I don't need to repeate myself again. Their are plenty of reasons for them to come to NOE and not NA. Then I again didn't say Reggie was completely blameless in the decision rather that he likely wasn't the final say that was Nintendo themselves.

Finally if it was his decision it was the smart one. You piss off what 200K potential customers a little but you save money and aren't taking a risk you know won't pay off. Porting a title with as little potential as 40K and as much as 200K is not worth it. You would barely break even if you did at all. It would be a bad business decision and those 200K angry customers aren't likely going to abandon Nintendo over the issue and if they did they are a very small amount of the consumer base that is more then happy with the decisions Nintendo has made.

I use Mother so much because it is so old. If I use a game less then a decade old like Animal Forest or Custom Robo(64) or Giftpia you probably have no idea what I'm talking about. Look at SNES, N64, GameCube at how many games were never brought to America its been going on forever and Nintendo has always explained that the titles just don't sell well in North America. Any that they think will later on make it to North America (Advance Wars, Animal Crossing (GC) and Custom Robo (GC)) but others remain in Japan.

Its funny other then Mother and Operation Rainfall I don't seem to recall this kind of anger over the dozens of games Nintendo never brought to NA in the past? Before Reggie became NOA President. Is it only the JRPG fans that seem to get their panties in a bunch over this issue?

I think you could save alot of time by just saying you love Reggie and to hell with who doesnt. I never liked Reggie ever, and no amount of text you could write will change that. Disney? Coke? The difference is they DONT talk shit about the comp. and they dont tell outright lies. 

You're acting like Motion+ was always with the Wiimote, thats crap. It WAS a peripherial, you had to buy it seperately, does that not make it a periphierial? I had to buy mine seperatly. ANd guess what when it was in that form it got CRAP support. ANd MS can call Kinect what it wants, commom sense would tell you its wrong. Its not a standalone device, so how is it not a peripherial? Rumble in PS controllers?? Are you okay? Its built INTO the controller. Kinect not built, Motion+ was not.

So you're just eating Reggie's BS up. Where are the games?? Sony alone has released more games for their Move this year than Ninty has probably released for Wii and DS combined. Likewise MS, Both devices have been out for a year or more and they have more titles than any periphirial that Ninty put out. Even if what he said was true(it isnt), its still the pot calling the kettle black. "where are the games that use Motion+ Reggie, hell where are the games period, Reggie"

Its only JRPGS, because maybe just maybe, thats an actual popluar genre in the US?? SHocking!! WHich is why when Reggie or anyone else says those titles will not sell, its BS. ANd Reggie did not answer anyone. WHy do you eat everything he feeds you, that was just a fancy way of saying wait and see. Why not just say YEs or No?? Thats what we want. "Are the games coming, Reggie?" If they are say they are, if there not just say so, stop jerking people around. ANd if he does not have the authority, just grow a pair and say, "Sorry guys i dont know, im just a puppet" I would have more respect for him if he said anyone of those things.