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enrageorange said:
goforgold said:
sega4life said:
Said it before and again:

Xbox 360 + No Price Cut + Six Years Old + Half a Million Sales + Before Black Friday = AMAZING!

you know I've never understood this "no price cut" stuff

when the ps3 outsold the 360 being  $100-200 more, that's a impressive sales considering the price difference

but the 360 is currently one of, if not the least expensive console on the market and have been so since 2008, and has been at the mass market price point longer than any console this gen, ps3 JUST went below 300 dollars and it still isn't 199, but the 360 has been there since 08 and that's was *counts on fingers* 3 years ago (when the cheapest ps3 was $400)

The thing is though since the ps3 pricecut, in the only place we get average console price data, from the npd, the 360 is selling at a higher average price then the ps3 despite being a year older and having a console priced at supposed "mass market" price, which as it turns out is selling much worse then the other skus considering Npd revealed the average 360 was selling for around 280$ in America in September. Idk if they revealed the average price in october.

That's in the US. And it was only for the month of the price cut. I believe that month also saw gears of war 3 bundles which were priced at $400.



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Seece said:
thismeintiel said:

Going to post this in here, just in case EMEAA thread dies.

"I also have to say, not really buying the 360 Skyrim outsold the PS3 Skyrim by ~100K, either. Just look at Oblivion for my reasoning. Oblivion launched in EMEAA a little over a year late on the PS3. At that time the 360 outnumbered the PS3 by ~2.3 million in those regions. Yet, Oblivion on the 360 only outsold the PS3 version by 190K. So here we are, when the PS3 outnumbers the 360 by ~4.4 million units, and the games are launching on the exact same day, yet the 360 version somehow outsells the PS3 version. Just not seeing how that's possible."

Edit: This is just for EMEAA.

UK Skyrim sales were 65% to like 23% to X360? Judging by that, that's high even for UK, I fail to see PS3 Skyrim dominating 360 version anywhere enough to have a lead.

Not to mention there are skus of games that sell better on PS3 in AMERICAS, where the 360 has a 11 mill lead ... seriously, some games just sell better than the other version no matter what country. Stop coming up with this rubbish simply because you don't like the numbers.

Rubbish?  Did I just pull that out of my ass with nothing to back it up?  No.  I used the sales of previous game in the series, as well as install base at the time.  Does it mean I'm correct?  Of course not.  But it is far from a rubbish observation.



thismeintiel said:
Seece said:
thismeintiel said:

Going to post this in here, just in case EMEAA thread dies.

"I also have to say, not really buying the 360 Skyrim outsold the PS3 Skyrim by ~100K, either. Just look at Oblivion for my reasoning. Oblivion launched in EMEAA a little over a year late on the PS3. At that time the 360 outnumbered the PS3 by ~2.3 million in those regions. Yet, Oblivion on the 360 only outsold the PS3 version by 190K. So here we are, when the PS3 outnumbers the 360 by ~4.4 million units, and the games are launching on the exact same day, yet the 360 version somehow outsells the PS3 version. Just not seeing how that's possible."

Edit: This is just for EMEAA.

UK Skyrim sales were 65% to like 23% to X360? Judging by that, that's high even for UK, I fail to see PS3 Skyrim dominating 360 version anywhere enough to have a lead.

Not to mention there are skus of games that sell better on PS3 in AMERICAS, where the 360 has a 11 mill lead ... seriously, some games just sell better than the other version no matter what country. Stop coming up with this rubbish simply because you don't like the numbers.

Rubbish?  Did I just pull that out of my ass with nothing to back it up?  No.  I used the sales of previous game in the series, as well as install base at the time.  Does it mean I'm correct?  Of course not.  But it is far from a rubbish observation.

Yeah rubbish, you know as much as I do it's a weak argument and the only 'proof' we have of EMEAA Skyrim sales is that the 360 version obliterated the PS3 version in the UK.



 

hatmoza said:
sethnintendo said:
hatmoza said:
360 will own the holiday.


Little early to make that call.  Just wait till MK7 drops.  I believe 3DS is going to have a top notch holiday season and put the entire doom crowd back in their shit hole that they crawled out of.  Anyways, I believe the holiday season is still up for grabs and that no company is going to own the competition this holiday season.


 No need to get so defensive. All I said is 360 is going to own and you jump on a hater bandwagon cursing people back to their shitholes.

That shithole comment was for the gaming "journalist" that believed hand-helds are doomed because of smartphones.  It wasn't a defensive remark to anything you said.  Basically, I was trying to call out all the people that thought the 3DS / hand-helds were doomed.  I should have probably just posted that separate considering my main point to you was that the 360 won't own the market this holiday season.  Will it do well? I am sure.  However, I still don't think it will be the top selling console during the holiday season.  Also, I don't even know when the holiday season officially starts (I assume Black Friday). 



Reasonable said:


Yeah, I probably stated that to definatively.  I should say I think 360 will outsell PS3 over holidays although I think EMEAA and Japan will keep PS3 close enough that WW will come close to a tie.  I still favour the PS3 to be ahead WW for 2011 but it's going to be close and I can see 360 reaching a draw.

But... all speculation of course as you note and far from a given.

I do wonder how things would be if PS3 had a MW3 bundle in EMEAA.  I'm presuming MS paid to have exclusive WW bundle so it was probably impossible but on these numbers it's likely PS3 would have remained even closer to 360 with such a bundle in EMEAA.

Most likely, it's going to be far from a draw.  I can see the PS3 still leading the 360 at the end of the year by ~800K-1M.  As I point out here, the overall gap may have gone down by ~115K, but last week the 360 needed to outsell the PS3 by 230K (and every week from then on) for there to be a draw.  Since that didn't happen, the 360 now needs to outsell the PS3 by 249K a week for 6 more weeks to tie it.  That MAY happen Black Friday week and a couple weeks in Dec, but definitely not the rest of the year.

@ Seece

Well, truthfully, I didn't know the tidbit about UK sales til after I had posted that.  But, considering I didn't just pull any of that from my ass, my argument was still far from rubbish.  I will admit I was proven wrong, though.



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Great PS3 numbers, PS3 will dominate in Japan and EMEA this holiday, there are some great PS3 deals for black friday for US so PS3 should keep close to 360 in US.



Amazing 360 numbers.
GO SKYRIM!



Japan: slow week, 3DS is big, but it drops like everyone else except Wii, that grows a little but it's still a shadow of its past glory. PSP SW grows and it's FIRST!

WW: XB360 just left me speechless. Excellent week for all the others too, except 3DS SW.
Kinect slaughters Balance Board despite still meh everywhere else than in America.



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mantlepiecek said:
enrageorange said:
goforgold said:
sega4life said:
Said it before and again:

Xbox 360 + No Price Cut + Six Years Old + Half a Million Sales + Before Black Friday = AMAZING!

you know I've never understood this "no price cut" stuff

when the ps3 outsold the 360 being  $100-200 more, that's a impressive sales considering the price difference

but the 360 is currently one of, if not the least expensive console on the market and have been so since 2008, and has been at the mass market price point longer than any console this gen, ps3 JUST went below 300 dollars and it still isn't 199, but the 360 has been there since 08 and that's was *counts on fingers* 3 years ago (when the cheapest ps3 was $400)

The thing is though since the ps3 pricecut, in the only place we get average console price data, from the npd, the 360 is selling at a higher average price then the ps3 despite being a year older and having a console priced at supposed "mass market" price, which as it turns out is selling much worse then the other skus considering Npd revealed the average 360 was selling for around 280$ in America in September. Idk if they revealed the average price in october.

That's in the US. And it was only for the month of the price cut. I believe that month also saw gears of war 3 bundles which were priced at $400.

I cleary said in America and the majority of 360 sales are in America. Goforgold clearly was trying to point out the $200 360 version as proof that 360s are selling for super cheap, when reality is since the ps3 pricecut 360s have been the most expencive console to customers in the only place we can firmly say so, the United States. I don't think we get average console prices for any other regions. The gears of war bundle is indeed a 360 that people were willing to pay $400 for. I don't see what that has to do with anything. Last month and for the rest of the holidays the 360 has three new skus priced at $300 and up that it didn't have in september so that average price is only going to increase other then in black friday when all consoles will have significantly lower average prices.



Seece said:
thismeintiel said:
Seece said:
thismeintiel said:

Going to post this in here, just in case EMEAA thread dies.

"I also have to say, not really buying the 360 Skyrim outsold the PS3 Skyrim by ~100K, either. Just look at Oblivion for my reasoning. Oblivion launched in EMEAA a little over a year late on the PS3. At that time the 360 outnumbered the PS3 by ~2.3 million in those regions. Yet, Oblivion on the 360 only outsold the PS3 version by 190K. So here we are, when the PS3 outnumbers the 360 by ~4.4 million units, and the games are launching on the exact same day, yet the 360 version somehow outsells the PS3 version. Just not seeing how that's possible."

Edit: This is just for EMEAA.

UK Skyrim sales were 65% to like 23% to X360? Judging by that, that's high even for UK, I fail to see PS3 Skyrim dominating 360 version anywhere enough to have a lead.

Not to mention there are skus of games that sell better on PS3 in AMERICAS, where the 360 has a 11 mill lead ... seriously, some games just sell better than the other version no matter what country. Stop coming up with this rubbish simply because you don't like the numbers.

Rubbish?  Did I just pull that out of my ass with nothing to back it up?  No.  I used the sales of previous game in the series, as well as install base at the time.  Does it mean I'm correct?  Of course not.  But it is far from a rubbish observation.

Yeah rubbish, you know as much as I do it's a weak argument and the only 'proof' we have of EMEAA Skyrim sales is that the 360 version obliterated the PS3 version in the UK.

Just like the 360 obliterated the PS3 in the UK but did it put 360 ahead in EMEAA? No...