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Do you think "Xbox 1080" will launch in 2012?

Yes 71 30.87%
 
No 159 69.13%
 
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archbrix on 16 November 2011
Siko1989 said:
"Do you think "Xbox 1080" will launch in 2012?"

LOL why am i laughing at that question, maybe because you called the new console "Xbox 1080"

What's wrong with that?  Personally I think it sounds better than "Ten" or "Loop".  And "720" just sounds misleading due to resolutions.



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HappySqurriel on 16 November 2011

Right now Nintendo will be launching as the successor to the market leading console, potentially with a significant price advantage, and if they have 12+ months to build a user-base and game library it could be very bad for Sony and Microsoft. Essentially, consider how much more difficult it will be to sell the "XBox 1080" if there is a system that is $100+ less expensive, has an established library of games, most big "XBox 1080" are cross platform and released to this system, and most of the benefit of the "XBox 1080" are difficult to notice enhancements or require you to buy a new TV.



archbrix on 16 November 2011
HappySqurriel said:
Right now Nintendo will be launching as the successor to the market leading console, potentially with a significant price advantage, and if they have 12+ months to build a user-base and game library it could be very bad for Sony and Microsoft. Essentially, consider how much more difficult it will be to sell the "XBox 1080" if there is a system that is $100+ less expensive, has an established library of games, most big "XBox 1080" are cross platform and released to this system, and most of the benefit of the "XBox 1080" are difficult to notice enhancements or require you to buy a new TV.

True, but will Wii U be able to court many of the Xbox/PS fanbase within a year's time, when they can get all of the same cross-platform games on the systems they already own?  Yes, the Wii U versions will be better, but most could likely make due until 2013 knowing that the Xbox 1080 is just around the corner.  And I believe that the Wii U will be very successful; again, great for Nintendo and their fans, but not necessarily spelling instant doom for Microsoft if they wait a year and thrive off of the 360 in the meantime.



HappySqurriel on 16 November 2011
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:
Right now Nintendo will be launching as the successor to the market leading console, potentially with a significant price advantage, and if they have 12+ months to build a user-base and game library it could be very bad for Sony and Microsoft. Essentially, consider how much more difficult it will be to sell the "XBox 1080" if there is a system that is $100+ less expensive, has an established library of games, most big "XBox 1080" are cross platform and released to this system, and most of the benefit of the "XBox 1080" are difficult to notice enhancements or require you to buy a new TV.

True, but will Wii U be able to court many of the Xbox/PS fanbase within a years time, when they can get all of the same cross-platform games on the systems they already own?  Yes, the Wii U versions will be better, but most could likely make due until 2013 knowing that the Xbox 1080 is just around the corner.  And I believe that the Wii U will be very successful; again, great for Nintendo and their fans, but not necessarily spelling instant doom for Microsoft if they wait a year and thrive off of the 360 in the meantime.

I highly doubt that Nintendo will attempt to attract anyone with cross-platform third party games that are also released on the HD consoles ... The Wii U's success will depend on Nintendo playing to their strengths, which is producing very accessable high quality first party games in new or re-imagined genres. I don't expect third party releases to drive adoption of the Wii U (especially early on) but, if Nintendo can make the Wii U a success, could prevent the adoption of other platforms.

After all, one of the unique features of this generation was the growth of multi-console ownership but, if Nintendo can get people to adopt to them first and limits the value of buying an additional system, that trend could be reversed in the next generation.



Turkish on 16 November 2011

Dont think so, 360 is selling good in NA, they dont want to kill it in a year. 2013 the new HD consoles will come out, 2014 will be a bit too late by then cuz Wii U would have 2 years head start.



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Mr Puggsly on 16 November 2011
superchunk said:
Biggest reason you're wrong is Sony PS4.

360 had a year head start and FAR higher US sales than PS3. Yet, without that years head start, it would be in 3rd place and no chance on catching the PS3.

You give the year head start too much credit. What most helped 360 hold a lead was PS3's high price tags.

Had the PS3 been launched at $300 - $400 (with no bluray), it would have easily surpassed the 360 and there would be no talk of a "head start."

Sony indirectly made the 360 a hit.



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archbrix on 16 November 2011
HappySqurriel said:
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:
Right now Nintendo will be launching as the successor to the market leading console, potentially with a significant price advantage, and if they have 12+ months to build a user-base and game library it could be very bad for Sony and Microsoft. Essentially, consider how much more difficult it will be to sell the "XBox 1080" if there is a system that is $100+ less expensive, has an established library of games, most big "XBox 1080" are cross platform and released to this system, and most of the benefit of the "XBox 1080" are difficult to notice enhancements or require you to buy a new TV.

True, but will Wii U be able to court many of the Xbox/PS fanbase within a years time, when they can get all of the same cross-platform games on the systems they already own?  Yes, the Wii U versions will be better, but most could likely make due until 2013 knowing that the Xbox 1080 is just around the corner.  And I believe that the Wii U will be very successful; again, great for Nintendo and their fans, but not necessarily spelling instant doom for Microsoft if they wait a year and thrive off of the 360 in the meantime.

if Nintendo can make the Wii U a success, could prevent the adoption of other platforms.

After all, one of the unique features of this generation was the growth of multi-console ownership but, if Nintendo can get people to adopt to them first and limits the value of buying an additional system, that trend could be reversed in the next generation.

In the words of Optimus Prime, whenever asked if Megatron was gone forever:

"I wish I could believe that..."  



HappySqurriel on 16 November 2011
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:
archbrix said:
HappySqurriel said:
Right now Nintendo will be launching as the successor to the market leading console, potentially with a significant price advantage, and if they have 12+ months to build a user-base and game library it could be very bad for Sony and Microsoft. Essentially, consider how much more difficult it will be to sell the "XBox 1080" if there is a system that is $100+ less expensive, has an established library of games, most big "XBox 1080" are cross platform and released to this system, and most of the benefit of the "XBox 1080" are difficult to notice enhancements or require you to buy a new TV.

True, but will Wii U be able to court many of the Xbox/PS fanbase within a years time, when they can get all of the same cross-platform games on the systems they already own?  Yes, the Wii U versions will be better, but most could likely make due until 2013 knowing that the Xbox 1080 is just around the corner.  And I believe that the Wii U will be very successful; again, great for Nintendo and their fans, but not necessarily spelling instant doom for Microsoft if they wait a year and thrive off of the 360 in the meantime.

if Nintendo can make the Wii U a success, could prevent the adoption of other platforms.

After all, one of the unique features of this generation was the growth of multi-console ownership but, if Nintendo can get people to adopt to them first and limits the value of buying an additional system, that trend could be reversed in the next generation.

In the words of Optimus Prime, whenever asked if Megatron was gone forever:

"I wish I could believe that..."  

I'm not saying that Nintendo is ensured success, but it is a very bad business strategy to cross your fingers and hope that your competition screws up ...

I have no idea what Nintendo has in store, but if I was Microsoft or Sony I would be worried that they were going to release the next "Brain Training", "Wii Fit", "New Super Mario Bros", or "Wii Sports" (basically, exciting/new 20+ Million selling game) before I even released my system



superchunk on 16 November 2011
Fumanchu said:
@superchunk - I think you're getting confused between Halo: Combat Evolved Anniversary which released 2 days ago and Halo 4. Halo 4 is a new game and the start of a whole new trilogy.

I believe that MS' strategy moving forward will be to release the new console and keep the 360 alive for as long as it's in their power to do so. I think they'll be more concerned about protecting their residual income streams from live subscriptions and marketplace downloads, to drop support for their latest heavy hitters (Halo 4) for the 360 to the new console. They risk losing those customers to the competitions' new offerings. It is for this reason that I was speculating a 'Zelda: Twilight Princess' arrangement.

Ah, I thought they were one in the same.

Still doesn't change much as a new FPS game this late in the generation won't affect 360 or a new system that is fully backwards compatible.



superchunk on 16 November 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
superchunk said:
Biggest reason you're wrong is Sony PS4.

360 had a year head start and FAR higher US sales than PS3. Yet, without that years head start, it would be in 3rd place and no chance on catching the PS3.

You give the year head start too much credit. What most helped 360 hold a lead was PS3's high price tags.

Had the PS3 been launched at $300 - $400 (with no bluray), it would have easily surpassed the 360 and there would be no talk of a "head start."

Sony indirectly made the 360 a hit.


I don't think so. Every year 1st vs 1st and 2nd vs 2nd, etc, the PS3 outsold the 360... at a higher price and even more so now with similar prices.