X3OX.....what do you think of that name?

@play..

dude, my man, el'chico... you're the one arguing with me. I didn't directly reply to your post, you replied to mine. Right? and you're still goin'.
but yet, you're the one getting all bent out of shape, telling me I'm dreaming, I got..how'd you put that.. 'rage' problems, lol, I shouldn't be posting in here, my points are dumb, I can't handle people disagreeing with me, I'm pissed... and the best one, which you stated AFTER typing what amounts to someone childishly squeezing in the last word, you're not going to reply anymore... you're above that now, you've learned your lesson dealing with people like me.
O.K.... whatever. Either way, I'm fine. You on the other hand, well, I can almost guarantee that you didn't learn anything from me and tomorrow, next week, today even... you'll be arguing with someone else, pulling the same 'I'm smarter than you because I think I am' nonsense you're pulling with me.

My point was fine. It wasn't stupid, or brilliant...it wasn't really anything other than a simple observation that people will gravitate towards more powerful consoles. We've been doing it for nearly 40 years now, maybe you'd care to explain why that's going to change. You're the one that came in and tried setting parameters to my statement, that wanted to argue and display how intelligent you are by taking a simple generalization, restricting it to one generation, and then pointing out how I was wrong. Unnecessary Play, completely unnecessary... and that's what started the ball rollin' sort of speak.

I'm sure there's people that have read through these posts, disagreed with me... or you.. and decided not to reply because they didn't want to argue. You're not one of those people. You, much like myself, enjoy being right and the easiest way to ensure that, is not to argue in the first place, or not to quit.
Now, depending on your reply, or lack of one, I'm willing to let this drop. We misunderstood each, and the adult thing to do would be to recognize that and.... without taking little parting shots at one another.... you know, name calling, sanctimonious nonsense, stuff like that. Let it go.
Peace. (maybe)

I've already given great reasons in other threads. I won't guarantee a 2012 release but I would say their is a 75% chance with a 24% chance of 2013 and a 1% chance 2014.

I find it funny that people actually think Sony and Microsoft are completely influenced by one another and not by Nintendo. With Microsoft stating Kinect and motion controls are the future it would appear Nintendo has influenced Microsoft in a much larger manner then Sony. Also with Nintendo having won this generation both Sony and Microsoft are eager to not repeat last generation.

I think based on all the rumors and all the facts. PS4 and X10 dev kits are already in developer hands. Both consoles will be unvieled by the end of E3 2012. X10 will launch winter 2012 with PS4 coming either alongside it or within months in 2013, at latest winter 2013. Both Microsoft and Sony will want to launch their consoles competitively with similar advantages.

My other guess is PS4 will be the most powerful system next generation, but will likely cost about the same as X10 at retail. Unlike Nintendo and Microsoft who have to sell their expensive motion controllers , Sony can focus entirely on hardware power delivering a punch for an affordable price.

Anyways the next generation seems in the bag to me, I will be very surprised if Microsoft doesn't launch next winter and honestly my hope for any Microsoft victory next generation will be lost if they don't beat PS4 to market by at least half a year!

@joecool

I'd be surprised if Sony, once again, releases the most advanced console next gen. I think that strategy really burned them this time around. While the PS3 is certainly profitable now and doing fine, Sony lost an awful lot of revenue the first few years due to it's restrictive, initial pricing, and that loss in sales is still affecting them now to a degree, i.e., software sales, peripherals...As a company, Sony's hurting right now and I'm not too sure how eager their board will be to dump excess money into R&D and manufacturing costs.
As for MS's attempts at creating the best hardware being problematic because of expensive motion controller tying up funds, I don't think that's an issue. The Kinect is what it is and other than refining the tech behind it, I don't really see them funneling off money to make a Kinect 2. I think Ms 'wants' to return to being king of the hill tech wise... and I'm looking forward to that.
We'll see. Wii U next year, Sony and MS to follow up in 2013.

Personally, I'm going to try to avoid arguments over who will produce the most powerful hardware because I'm fairly certain that there won't be much of a meaningful difference between the systems. Here is what I would expect console manufacturers to sell systems for in 2012 and 2014 based on a (rough) multiple of processing power compared to current HD consoles:

2012
8x: $300
16x: $450
24x: $600
32x: $1,000+

2014
8x: $200
16x: $300
32x: $450+

With diminishing returns being what they are, and the probability of third party publishers focusing on true cross platform development, I don't see it as being likely that any of the manufacturers will be able to release a system that is meaningfully more powerful than the others; at least, not meaningful enough to compensate for the increased cost and/or later release date of the system.

No way. 2012 is way too soon. Try more like 2013 or 2014. Makes a lot more sense from a business point of view.