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Snesboy said:
nightsurge said:
Snesboy said:
Play4Fun said:
Snesboy said:
D-Joe said:

http://s3gal3aks.wordpress.com/

CPU : IBM Power 710 

- Architecture : IBM POWER7 

- Cores : 6 Core 

- Clockspeed : 3.72 GHz 

GPU : Custom AMD Radeon HD Graphics 

- Configuration : Single Die Dual Core 

- Clockspeed : 750MHz 

- Daughter Die : Renesas Electronics 100MB eDRAM 

RAM : 2GB 512-Bit GDDR5 256GB/s (Unified Memory Architecture) 

It's sad the only thing the new Xbox outclasses is my CPU speed.

Good thing those specs would do much more in a console than it ever could in your PC, eh?

>=(

Not really. Especially since the new systems will only support one monitor anyway.

Your crystal ball must still be working. Mine broke the other day so I can't see the future anymore.

All joking aside, you're wrong. The current consoles can even support more than one monitor, so why wouldn't their predecessors?

And what's really sad is that you feel the need to compare a full fledged $1000+ game rig to a console that will be under $500 and perform very similarly if not better at certain things.

Oh and by the way, these are rumors, not facts, so again, silly to compare right now.

My rig was 700. :P

Link me to where an Xbox 360 and a PS3 can support two monitors? PS3 was supposed to before it released but they got rid of it.

Anyway, consoles suck.


well, you'd need 3 360s or 3 PS3s, which would cost more than a PC that can handle it XD. You can technically play Froza3(prolly 4 too) or GT5 that way



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nightsurge said:
Snesboy said:
nightsurge said:
Snesboy said:
Play4Fun said:
Snesboy said:
D-Joe said:

http://s3gal3aks.wordpress.com/

CPU : IBM Power 710 

- Architecture : IBM POWER7 

- Cores : 6 Core 

- Clockspeed : 3.72 GHz 

GPU : Custom AMD Radeon HD Graphics 

- Configuration : Single Die Dual Core 

- Clockspeed : 750MHz 

- Daughter Die : Renesas Electronics 100MB eDRAM 

RAM : 2GB 512-Bit GDDR5 256GB/s (Unified Memory Architecture) 

It's sad the only thing the new Xbox outclasses is my CPU speed.

Good thing those specs would do much more in a console than it ever could in your PC, eh?

>=(

Not really. Especially since the new systems will only support one monitor anyway.

Your crystal ball must still be working. Mine broke the other day so I can't see the future anymore.

All joking aside, you're wrong. The current consoles can even support more than one monitor, so why wouldn't their predecessors?

And what's really sad is that you feel the need to compare a full fledged $1000+ game rig to a console that will be under $500 and perform very similarly if not better at certain things.

Oh and by the way, these are rumors, not facts, so again, silly to compare right now.

My rig was 700. :P

Link me to where an Xbox 360 and a PS3 can support two monitors? PS3 was supposed to before it released but they got rid of it.

Anyway, consoles suck.

Forza 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CVe2JszalI

I have seen Forza 4 do this as well, so it may be limited to a few select games like this, but it is still possible. And you scored a 6 core intel processor, plus had enough to build the rest of your system for just $700? I find that hard to imagine unless you maybe went low on RAM/GPU/Power Supply, or aren't including the OS? I build computers as a hobby and even a side business, so while I suppose you could have a cheaper 6 Core AMD processor, you'd still be pushing it to get good quality combination parts and fit under $700, but I suppose it is possible.

$$$$$$$$$ costs more than a PC lol



The SAME site posted this:

"WORLD EXCLUSIVE

SegaLeaks can today reveal that Sega’s next generation console and arcade platforms are to be powered by a SoC (System on Chip) manufactured by Renesas Electronics.

The SoC is to consist of three processors, the processors are as follows -

ARM Cortex A15 2.5GHz Quad Core

IMGTEC PowerVR Series 6 Rogue 400MHz

IMGTEC/Caustic Graphics CausticOne 400MHz

The SoC is to be fabbed at 28nm.

- Zach Morris
"

Now, can we end the thread?



Whatever is in the Nextbox I think it will be very powerful. This Gen Sony's PS3 is a about 5% or so more powerful than the current Xbox (so they are basically the same, unlike the Game Cube and Xbox which where both more powerful than the PS2, that last one about twice).  One big advantage I see that if you develop using DirectX it seems easier to work on both the Xbox and PC. But as the Xbox is stuck on DirectX 9C and the current PC's can use the more beautiful and realistic DriectX 11.

The next WiiU uses DirectX 10 or something similar. I'm hoping the Next Xbox will use at least DirectX 12, which is not out yet.

I'm hoping these rumor, such as 6 core, are leaked on purpose and to give the competition a target, and the actually hardware will be much more powerful. (and easy to swap out should a single component fail - like a swappable SSD, like the current hard drives on both Xbox and PS3.)

Much will depend on the WiiU effect.  If it doesn't sell much better than the other two HD's, then they wouldn't really NEED to upgrade quite yet.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!

crissindahouse said:
Play4Fun said:
Crystalchild said:
JEMC said:
@crissindahouse: If you mean Crystalchild and me, then yes.


AAaaaaahH!!!!! I DIDNT think you'd talk GPU memory  xD! If it comes to graphics-card dedicated memory,  1GB is definetly  enough if MS isnt going True-HD, but stays on 1080p instead. (going for 4k x 2k resolution would be absurd - yeah i know,  stating the obvious here. )

 

@Play4Fun:

"Anyone willing to spend that much for a gaming device would just get the alternative...a gaming PC."

 

- Well, i think the problem isnt the price itself, but the fact that its a console that costs that certain ammount. (And by the way, When the new Consoles come out, they'll stay again over Gaming PC's, for at least a year. and when the PC has to be upgraded again, the console comes away as the overall far cheaper device. - not including game pricing here)

But look at what people pay for a Phone nowadays. so yeah, the problem is, people are used to pay 'as low as possible' for a console, making the PS3's 599$ back then somewhat insane in people's minds, while many bought a Phone or Tablet for more than this, without questioning the pricepoint. (And the Iphone for example is/was just overpriced for the hardware it contains.)

Comparing them to Phones and tablets  make no sense because that's two different markets with products bought for different reasons that have different values to customers.

Consoles will never be valued the same way phones are valued. NEVER.

...unless they evolve in the future to multi-media devices used to interact with all entertainment, er, stuff in your house and become a big part of people's everyday lives. Until then, NEVER.


sure an iphone isn't a console and we can't compare these but it still makes no sense that we all paid like $399 for the 360 but won't pay like $450 for the next xbox. it would mean loan adjusted that we wouldn't pay more than in 2005. we would still pay less then!  we are stupid to think so or the average customer as well. it makes absolutely no sense to get loan increases almost every year or few years not and then a big increase but we don't want to pay more for consoles.

you know what that means? most people will still think like this "i won't pay more than $400" in 20 years but microsoft has to pay double the amount than nowadys for the employees/energy/whatever so they only can bring us a console for that price if the console isn't anything as good as it could be for let's say $700 which would still be lower for us than paying $400 in 2005 compared to our income.

or with games i live in germany and i paid ~120DM for n64 games games. some games did cost like 140DM and i think 120DM for snes as well but i'm not sure for that. now i pay 50-60€ which is less than 15 years ago or so (60€ would be like 117DM i believe). if microsoft would sell the 360 games for 80€ it would be still less loan adjusted but what? noone would do this... hell if microsoft would say "next gen the games will cost 10€ more", everybody would cry but that makes absolutely no sense. the developers have more and more costs sure big blockbusters make still much money but just look at the annual reports of ubisoft/ea whatever. if we would pay 10€ more that would be more than fair but noone want to do that. but if you pay 3€ for your coffee in a cafe or 2€ 10 years ago most don't care about that lol.

my cinema costs more and more every fewe years and nobody cares. they still run in it and why? because it's fair. it's fair to increase the ticket 20% after a few years. they have to pay more for lease, loans and everything that's why i give them more and that's why my boss gives me more to have money for all of that in my life.

 

btw you said if people want to pay more the pc is the best for them but that's not true. i have a monster pc but i stil couldn't play like 16 of my favourite 20 games this gen if i wouldn't have one or more consoles. sure i can play battlefield and skyrim on my pc but no forza, gt, uncharted, mario...


Unfoutunatly, you are amoung a very rare breed of people that use logic. Most would rather look past the fact that consoles, and game development has changed. 

Today it takes hundreds of more people making 1,000 more dollars a year to create these consoles and games. There are way more companies that are involved, and many more royalties in return. This is not the days of the little kids Atari, and Nintendo anymore. Gaming is a world wide youth through senior activity. Consoles are expected to have Massive on board storage, traditional, and motion control, internet access, massive online communities. They are the center piece of the entertainment, and communication, and work. Consoles, and smart Phones are one unit combined to seamlessly take care of all of your digital needs throught the day. 

The 360 and the PS3 have done a wonderful job going beyond gaming, and we as gamers should be praising this, and helping change the perspective of the toy console. The more consoles Sony and Microsoft put in homes the better it is for all of us. The more we are willing to spend up front, means a better oppertunity for them to have a product that can out shine the rest, and sell more units. Prices will come down and the will do it quickly. Just look at PS3 5 years ago it cost $850 dollars, to produce costing sony  ~$280 a console sold. Now PS3 is breaking even or profiting at a $250 dollar base price. 

Everything in life gets more expensive with time. More people are born, more industries are created, more jobs are made. If we are not willing to accept this then we will be the cause of death to the industry we love so much. Games have grown up, now its time for gamers to grow up too.



Stop hate, let others live the life they were given. Everyone has their problems, and no one should have to feel ashamed for the way they were born. Be proud of who you are, encourage others to be proud of themselves. Learn, research, absorb everything around you. Nothing is meaningless, a purpose is placed on everything no matter how you perceive it. Discover how to love, and share that love with everything that you encounter. Help make existence a beautiful thing.

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10/03/2010 

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KBG29 said:

Everything in life gets more expensive with time. More people are born, more industries are created, more jobs are made. If we are not willing to accept this then we will be the cause of death to the industry we love so much. Games have grown up, now its time for gamers to grow up too.


Funnily enough. Except with hardware.

For an example... PC's 10 years ago were considered "cheap" when they were only $2000. Go back 15 years and cheap was $3000.
These days. Cheap is $200-$300 which outperform those machines.

DVD drives when they first came out alone cost almost a grand... Now they're sitting around $10-$20.

Supply and Demand play a much larger role in prices than time when it comes to technology.




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Pemalite said:
KBG29 said:

Everything in life gets more expensive with time. More people are born, more industries are created, more jobs are made. If we are not willing to accept this then we will be the cause of death to the industry we love so much. Games have grown up, now its time for gamers to grow up too.


Funnily enough. Except with hardware.

For an example... PC's 10 years ago were considered "cheap" when they were only $2000. Go back 15 years and cheap was $3000.
These days. Cheap is $200-$300 which outperform those machines.

DVD drives when they first came out alone cost almost a grand... Now they're sitting around $10-$20.

Supply and Demand play a much larger role in prices than time when it comes to technology.


But...but...logic.

These people don't realise that only  a very  small portion of the console buying market thinks like them. They're out of touch.

Making consoles more expensive so you can pack in more tech isn't going to help anything.

Funny that KBG29 would start with 'console development has changed' and then go on to say we need to be willing to spend alot of money to buy consoles so they can pack more tech into it. Because that would totally help development costs.



nightsurge said:

Forza 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CVe2JszalI

I have seen Forza 4 do this as well, so it may be limited to a few select games like this, but it is still possible. And you scored a 6 core intel processor, plus had enough to build the rest of your system for just $700? I find that hard to imagine unless you maybe went low on RAM/GPU/Power Supply, or aren't including the OS? I build computers as a hobby and even a side business, so while I suppose you could have a cheaper 6 Core AMD processor, you'd still be pushing it to get good quality combination parts and fit under $700, but I suppose it is possible.

 

CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1035T 2.6GHz

RAM: 8GB DDR3 1333

HDD: 1TB SATA 7200RPM

GPU: ATi Radeon HD 5750 1GB GDDR3 SDRAM

OS: Win7 Home 64-bit



Play4Fun said:
Pemalite said:
KBG29 said:

Everything in life gets more expensive with time. More people are born, more industries are created, more jobs are made. If we are not willing to accept this then we will be the cause of death to the industry we love so much. Games have grown up, now its time for gamers to grow up too.


Funnily enough. Except with hardware.

For an example... PC's 10 years ago were considered "cheap" when they were only $2000. Go back 15 years and cheap was $3000.
These days. Cheap is $200-$300 which outperform those machines.

DVD drives when they first came out alone cost almost a grand... Now they're sitting around $10-$20.

Supply and Demand play a much larger role in prices than time when it comes to technology.


But...but...logic.

These people don't realise that only  a very  small portion of the console buying market thinks like them. They're out of touch.

Making consoles more expensive so you can pack in more tech isn't going to help anything.

Funny that KBG29 would start with 'console development has changed' and then go on to say we need to be willing to spend alot of money to buy consoles so they can pack more tech into it. Because that would totally help development costs.

New tech is always very expensive, a computer on the relative level of the $2000 ones of ten years ago is more than $2000. Ten years ago broad band Internet was brand new, to run simple programs like paint and word you needed a high end computer, and at that things moved at a snails pace. Just because a $300 computer now days that comes with a 10 year old OS, a 8 year old processor, and the 2GB of RAM does’t mean they are worthwhile. They are the computers poor families buy for the uncle that's wife died, and was married to a blood relative, but has to much of a cheap ass family to take care of them.

As far as out of touch is concerned, I see that completely. However, I say what I say because, I see that to having a console launch today at $300 like so many want means doing absolutely nothing for the consumer. A $300 new console right now equals, out of date processing power, transfer rates, and storage tech on day one. It means a system that has developers hitting walls, and drudgingly pushing out the same tiered mechanics year after year, because the tech gives them no where to go. All a $300 console does is put big sales numbers up early in the cycle, and line the pockets of the console manufactures with cash. For the rest of the industry it is a trail of red ink, and a door slammed shut in the face of Intel, amd, IBM, and nvidia.

Lastly yes development has changed. Costs are through the roof, and the sales model is not working. Console manufactures selling at a loss is killing developers because of the need for software to re-coupe hardware losses. Hardware needs to be profitable, and software needs to cover its own expenses. When nearly every company in the industry has struggled for a good portion of 6 years, it seems obvious change is needed. However, this leads to another discussion on a unified games platform, but that is for another forum.



Stop hate, let others live the life they were given. Everyone has their problems, and no one should have to feel ashamed for the way they were born. Be proud of who you are, encourage others to be proud of themselves. Learn, research, absorb everything around you. Nothing is meaningless, a purpose is placed on everything no matter how you perceive it. Discover how to love, and share that love with everything that you encounter. Help make existence a beautiful thing.

Kevyn B Grams
10/03/2010 

KBG29 on PSN&XBL

KBG29 said:

As far as out of touch is concerned, I see that completely. However, I say what I say because, I see that to having a console launch today at $300 like so many want means doing absolutely nothing for the consumer. A $300 new console right now equals, out of date processing power, transfer rates, and storage tech on day one. It means a system that has developers hitting walls, and drudgingly pushing out the same tiered mechanics year after year, because the tech gives them no where to go. All a $300 console does is put big sales numbers up early in the cycle, and line the pockets of the console manufactures with cash. For the rest of the industry it is a trail of red ink, and a door slammed shut in the face of Intel, amd, IBM, and nvidia.

 

You're assuming that outdated processing power is a disadvantage though. And certainly, in terms of pushing graphic fidelity and spectacle, the more processing power the better, but neither of these are in any way essential to gaming. I personally don't see a great need to really push graphical boundaries at the moment. The current HD consoles are quite capable when it comes to animations, lighting, etc., and I don't personally see reason to push graphical boundaries much. If the next generation consoles can play current gen games at 720p with 4xMSAA, 60 FPS and no screen tearing, I'll be more than happy.

Gameplay is much less bounded by processing power, and I don't see how $2000 worth of PC hardware can provide a significantly enough difference in gameplay to give merit to the investment. Certainly, investing in something like Kinect or the Wii U is going to make a much greater difference in gameplay.