New Xbox With Six-Core CPU and “Dual-GPU” From AMD (Rumor Analysis)

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crissindahouse said:

Play4Fun said:

Crystalchild said:

JEMC said:
@crissindahouse: If you mean Crystalchild and me, then yes.

AAaaaaahH!!!!! I DIDNT think you'd talk GPU memory  xD! If it comes to graphics-card dedicated memory,  1GB is definetly  enough if MS isnt going True-HD, but stays on 1080p instead. (going for 4k x 2k resolution would be absurd - yeah i know,  stating the obvious here. )

 

@Play4Fun:

"Anyone willing to spend that much for a gaming device would just get the alternative...a gaming PC."

 

- Well, i think the problem isnt the price itself, but the fact that its a console that costs that certain ammount. (And by the way, When the new Consoles come out, they'll stay again over Gaming PC's, for at least a year. and when the PC has to be upgraded again, the console comes away as the overall far cheaper device. - not including game pricing here)

But look at what people pay for a Phone nowadays. so yeah, the problem is, people are used to pay 'as low as possible' for a console, making the PS3's 599$ back then somewhat insane in people's minds, while many bought a Phone or Tablet for more than this, without questioning the pricepoint. (And the Iphone for example is/was just overpriced for the hardware it contains.)

Comparing them to Phones and tablets  make no sense because that's two different markets with products bought for different reasons that have different values to customers.

Consoles will never be valued the same way phones are valued. NEVER.

...unless they evolve in the future to multi-media devices used to interact with all entertainment, er, stuff in your house and become a big part of people's everyday lives. Until then, NEVER.

sure an iphone isn't a console and we can't compare these but it still makes no sense that we all paid like $399 for the 360 but won't pay like $450 for the next xbox. it would mean loan adjusted that we wouldn't pay more than in 2005. we would still pay less then!  we are stupid to think so or the average customer as well. it makes absolutely no sense to get loan increases almost every year or few years not and then a big increase but we don't want to pay more for consoles.

you know what that means? most people will still think like this "i won't pay more than $400" in 20 years but microsoft has to pay double the amount than nowadys for the employees/energy/whatever so they only can bring us a console for that price if the console isn't anything as good as it could be for let's say $700 which would still be lower for us than paying $400 in 2005 compared to our income.

or with games i live in germany and i paid ~120DM for n64 games games. some games did cost like 140DM and i think 120DM for snes as well but i'm not sure for that. now i pay 50-60€ which is less than 15 years ago or so (60€ would be like 117DM i believe). if microsoft would sell the 360 games for 80€ it would be still less loan adjusted but what? noone would do this... hell if microsoft would say "next gen the games will cost 10€ more", everybody would cry but that makes absolutely no sense. the developers have more and more costs sure big blockbusters make still much money but just look at the annual reports of ubisoft/ea whatever. if we would pay 10€ more that would be more than fair but noone want to do that. but if you pay 3€ for your coffee in a cafe or 2€ 10 years ago most don't care about that lol.

my cinema costs more and more every fewe years and nobody cares. they still run in it and why? because it's fair. it's fair to increase the ticket 20% after a few years. they have to pay more for lease, loans and everything that's why i give them more and that's why my boss gives me more to have money for all of that in my life.

 

btw you said if people want to pay more the pc is the best for them but that's not true. i have a monster pc but i stil couldn't play like 16 of my favourite 20 games this gen if i wouldn't have one or more consoles. sure i can play battlefield and skyrim on my pc but no forza, gt, uncharted, mario...

Unfoutunatly, you are amoung a very rare breed of people that use logic. Most would rather look past the fact that consoles, and game development has changed. 

Today it takes hundreds of more people making 1,000 more dollars a year to create these consoles and games. There are way more companies that are involved, and many more royalties in return. This is not the days of the little kids Atari, and Nintendo anymore. Gaming is a world wide youth through senior activity. Consoles are expected to have Massive on board storage, traditional, and motion control, internet access, massive online communities. They are the center piece of the entertainment, and communication, and work. Consoles, and smart Phones are one unit combined to seamlessly take care of all of your digital needs throught the day. 

The 360 and the PS3 have done a wonderful job going beyond gaming, and we as gamers should be praising this, and helping change the perspective of the toy console. The more consoles Sony and Microsoft put in homes the better it is for all of us. The more we are willing to spend up front, means a better oppertunity for them to have a product that can out shine the rest, and sell more units. Prices will come down and the will do it quickly. Just look at PS3 5 years ago it cost $850 dollars, to produce costing sony  ~$280 a console sold. Now PS3 is breaking even or profiting at a $250 dollar base price. 

Everything in life gets more expensive with time. More people are born, more industries are created, more jobs are made. If we are not willing to accept this then we will be the cause of death to the industry we love so much. Games have grown up, now its time for gamers to grow up too.