| Boberman said: problem with this is Sony and MS's division isn't just gaming, so its not a direct and fair comparison. |
It is fair as its not a comparison between companies but just on gaming... only difference is its the only division Nintendo has.
Also, as a whole, it wasn't too long ago Nintendo did make more money than all of Sony combined.
| maximus22 said: Wow if true! I find it hard to believe that Ninty was never in the red during the 64 or Gamecube eras. But if so then kudos. |
They always sold for a profit
Time for hype
padib said:
They still need to cover R&D, there isn't just cost. Thankfully Pokemon sold in enough numbers to save the impending death Nintendo was facing during those days. |
I'm sure the GC and 64 more than recouped the R&D costs
Time for hype
padib said:
Then add management overhead. You don't make profit over console sales, especially not on home consoles. You make it off software or handheld profits. I don't see GC and 64 being money-makers. And from what I learnt lately the GC was selling at a loss when it was released. Of course over the span of time a margin gets created but I doubt it being one to significantly recover R&D and overheads... @Data: With 32.92 Mil (N64) and 21.75 Mil (GC) over the span of 10 years... that gives roughly 500K yearly spread through (poor metric but we'll work with it). Assuming say a 50$ margin at best, that's 25Mil yearly. Seems miniscule in front of numbers like 500Mil (at worst). Compare that to values like 14Mil yearly on a nearly annual basis -> http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?name=pokemon (Orange square for total sales). Assuming a low margin of 20$ per game, that's 280Mil yearly just on Pukemon. |
huhhh?
The table is skewed... The Sony figures are all 1 year earlier.
A quick grab of Sony's figures from here: http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/ar/Archive.html
and Nintendo from here: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/library/annual/index.html
gives this little table for the two companies (figures are billions of Yen... I am not going to use exchange rates as they fluctuate, thus using a single exchange rate on them doesn't mean much... however the FY 2007 (ending March 31st 2007) is the year Sony lost ~$2billion from PS3 R&D/launch... which is the equivalent to the -232 in this table.... in the OP though the $2billion loss has been put into 2006 for some reason.
| Sony | Nintendo | |
| 2007 | -232 | 226 |
| 2008 | -124 | 487 |
| 2009 | -58 | 555 |
| 2010* | -83 | 356 |
| 2011* | 35 | 171 |
* indicates that these figures are for Sony's "Networked Products and Services" (i'll call it NP&S) division, which includes playstation but also other stuff.... the 2007-9 figures I took from the 2009 report, because back then there was a "Game" division which was mostly just Playstation (also I think Sony did some PC games but I don't think they account for much)
For example in the 2011 report, Sony has a little chart showing that in the NP&S division, 'game' (which will likely be equivalent to the old game division) made up 53% of sales.... which shows that the Playstation brand is only about half of the division revenue. (in terms of profit though, Sony no longer gives a breakdown for the game section, which means we can't know whether a profitable NP&S is due to playstation or not)
the figure i find most suprising here is nintendo in 2000
i remember the n64 being dead on its feet and this was a year before the gba (2001)
basically they were in a similar position back then to what they are now. a dying console and in the middle of handheld transition
how the hell did they make $1,300,000,000+
pokemon gold/silver, zelda majoras mask but i don't know what else.
| crissindahouse said: i would like to see sega's chart of the years they had consoles. |
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Sega_Annual_Icome(Loss)_1993-2004.svg
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thank you :)
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