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Rockyb on 13 October 2011

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oniyide on 13 October 2011
Jay520 said:
oniyide said:
sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
oniyide said:
spurgeonryan said:
Are there a lot of games on the ps3 that support move? I know they had there initial launch games.but I hae not heard about too many since then.


There is a hell of alot more than Motion+, ill tell you that, and just about as much as Kinect. THe support is actually pretty good, considering how little it has sold. The problem is people dont know about them

As I said before, Move support on games that use a joystick will do little to sell Move hardware.

Casual gamers rather buy a Wii or Kinect. Core console gamers clearly prefer joysticks. The Move is a flop and Sony is just gonna keep it under the radar.


What's your definition of a flop.

When a product has less market share then the competitors. And/or when the performance of the product fell below corporations expectations.

Id say Move was a flop. 


If that were the case, then every shooter that was outsold by CoD is a flop. Every fighting game that was outsold by Super Smash bros is a flop. Every platforming game that was outsold by NSMBWii is a flop. The X360 is a flop. All of these are obviously untrue. 3-5m units is a number that Sony rarly sees & I'm pretty sure they're happy with what they've sold & the money they've made. I highly doubt they regret the release of Move. Sure, they would be happier if they had more sales, but you could say the same about Kinect, or any product for that matter.

Also, we have no concrete evidence on what Sony's expectations were. We don't know if or how much, the Move met their expectations. 'Wants' are different from 'expectations'. I'm pretty sure Sony envies MS Kinect success, but that doesn't translate into their product being a failure.

The Move flopping is an illusion caused by the huge success of Kinect.

Hardware performance is a different subject matter then software performance. Those game examples mean nothing.

360 has surpassed origional Xbox sales by more then double and is gonna see a 10 year lifespan. Im sure that goes in with MS's expectations. On top of that, MS really only sees Sony as their main competitor. 360 still has a 3 million lead. So I have no idea where you think the 360 is a flop.....

I have no concrete evidence but I also have common sense. Sony clearly wanted the market that bought Kinect but lost out. A 5 million user base after a year isnt exactly something to brag about. Move flopping is a fact, not illusion, cause by the success of kinect. 

Its ok, you dont work for Sony. A product flopping has no effect on us, unless there are feelings of fanboyism. 


Why is it different? You're saying that Kinect outselling Move makes Move a flop. Why is 'your' rule different for hardware? Please, educate me.

You're 360-outselling-XB argument is flawed because the Move outsold PSEYE by a large margin also.

Like I said, 'wants' are not expectations. They're wants. The fact is the Move acquired a large market & brought in a large amount of profit. Kinect's huge success doesn't diminish that fact.

I never said I worked for Sony, nor have I implied that this effects me personally. I'm simply discussing popular a sales topic. In the process, I'm neglecting any irrelevant comments. I'll ask you to do the same to prevent derailment.

Well sir the main difference is that hardware sales are long term and can fluctuate over years. Software typically starts high and then drops down within a year of release and are eventually forgotten. Exceptions of the rule aside, thats the main difference and thats why using software examples to prove a hardware point is meaningless. 

Well my original definition of a flop was lower sales to a competitor and/or not meeting expectations. Even with your game points the sales could have still met the projections of the developer. 

The 360 argument is not flawed because I showed how it not only met MS projections by succeeding as much as it did over its predecessor but its also still ahead of the PS3 by 3 million. I could care less about The move outselling the even bigger flop PSEYE, my point was about 360. 

Its a simple fact: it was Move vs Kinect last holiday. Kinect won. Sony lost. Move flopped commercially to its competitor. We dont know Sonys expectations but cmon man, surely they were higher then........this 

By your logic, then 360 is a flop since Wii has dominated it.


He's gonna say that the Wii wasn't the X360's main competitor, or something like that. I'm done talking with him though. He seems to be creating his own rules & restrictions to define the word 'flop' to better suit his argument. It's no use anyway though. Regardless of if I prove him wrong or not, he's going to continue his anti-Sony mindset that's evident in most of his posts. Nothing you can say will change a person's agenda, I guess. Simply let them be.


yeah, your probably right



osamanobama on 13 October 2011
sales2099 said:
osamanobama said:
Mr Puggsly said:
osamanobama said:

pretending for a moment here that the move has poor support (something thats hard to do, as it actually has excellent support)

but how the hell is 8.8 million sales as of 3 months ago, poor?

9 million sales in 9 months is a ton

9 million sales isn't bad at all, but the actual userbase is obviously much smaller. There are those who bought 2 - 4 units. So I would presume the userbase is closer to 4.5 million.

Once again, much of the support is just Move compatibility in games that work with a joystick. This doesn't do much to encourage Move sales. So lets quit pretending that's excellent support.

yes and there are also those that bought 1 move, like me.

so unless you seriously think that a move users owns on average over 2 move controllers, the number is likely around 5-6 million. (closer to 5 tha 6)

and i believe vgc, when they were doing their articles about "move user base" with the misleading titles saying "move total sales", they were guessing less than 2 moves per person.

anyway, 9+ million sales and 5+ million users is quite a lot. (then when you include navcons and eyes, its even more) the move isnt a flop, not even in the slighest, this has made sony tons of money. 

and guess what maybe just maybe people buy the move to play games like Killzone and Resistance.

5 million + users is a flop compared to the 11+ kinects sold. Thats what the media turned it into last holiday: a battle between kinect and Move. And guess who won lol. MS tried something new while Sony built upon what Nintendo did and paid the price. A lack of Move specific titles hurt it as well. 

And really......very little buy Move for games that primarily use a dualshock 3. 

Sony lost, MS won. Move failed expectations and Kinect succeeded where it failed. deal. 

so by that logic.

Call of duty won.

halo and gears lost. deal



osamanobama on 13 October 2011
Jay520 said:
sales2099 said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
oniyide said:
spurgeonryan said:
Are there a lot of games on the ps3 that support move? I know they had there initial launch games.but I hae not heard about too many since then.


There is a hell of alot more than Motion+, ill tell you that, and just about as much as Kinect. THe support is actually pretty good, considering how little it has sold. The problem is people dont know about them

As I said before, Move support on games that use a joystick will do little to sell Move hardware.

Casual gamers rather buy a Wii or Kinect. Core console gamers clearly prefer joysticks. The Move is a flop and Sony is just gonna keep it under the radar.


What's your definition of a flop.

When a product has less market share then the competitors. And/or when the performance of the product fell below corporations expectations.

Id say Move was a flop. 


If that were the case, then every shooter that was outsold by CoD is a flop. Every fighting game that was outsold by Super Smash bros is a flop. Every platforming game that was outsold by NSMBWii is a flop. The X360 is a flop. All of these are obviously untrue. 3-5m units is a number that Sony rarly sees & I'm pretty sure they're happy with what they've sold & the money they've made. I highly doubt they regret the release of Move. Sure, they would be happier if they had more sales, but you could say the same about Kinect, or any product for that matter.

Also, we have no concrete evidence on what Sony's expectations were. We don't know if or how much, the Move met their expectations. 'Wants' are different from 'expectations'. I'm pretty sure Sony envies MS Kinect success, but that doesn't translate into their product being a failure.

The Move flopping is an illusion caused by the huge success of Kinect.

a few months after Move launched Sony said Move surpassed their expectactions.

a still fail to see how some people think desperately want Move to flop, 9+ million sales is not a flop, no matter how fanboyish one is



Jay520 on 13 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
Jay520 said:

 He's gonna say that the Wii wasn't the X360's main competitor, or something like that. I'm done talking with him though. He seems to be creating his own rules & restrictions to define the word 'flop' to better suit his argument. It's no use anyway though. Regardless of if I prove him wrong or not, he's going to continue his anti-Sony mindset that's evident in most of his posts. Nothing you can say will change a person's agenda, I guess. Simply let them be.

You only need to know how to get a checkmate.

Microsoft started into this generation by proclaiming that the first console to hit ten million will win the generation. The Xbox 360 did just that, but it still lost to the Wii. Now if the goalposts are being moved to exclude the Wii, Microsoft's goal still has been to win this generation and not just to sell more consoles than last generation. The PS3 is on its way to eventually beat the 360, because Microsoft was, is and will be unable to really break into non-English markets.

Therefore, the 360 will not meet Microsoft's expectations and will be a flop by the definition set by your opponent in this debate. If he then tries to move the goalposts even further, it will only serve to ridicule himself. Whatever happens, you have won.



I'm still a noob at this debating thing I guess. : /

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Jay520 on 13 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
Jay520 said:

I'm still a noob at this debating thing I guess. : /

Just keep watching me and learn. Just earlier this week I went out with a victory in an Uncharted thread despite not having played any game of the series.



I saw that. I didn't read the entire thread due to intense redundancy, so I don't know if you 'won' or not.

Jay520 on 13 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
Jay520 said:

 I saw that. I didn't read the entire thread due to intense redundancy, so I don't know if you 'won' or not.

Well, Khuutra used to say that there is no such thing as "winning" in a discussion, but that's one of the few points I always disagreed with him.



A discussion, no. But in a debate or argument, there will obviously be winning side & a losing side.

Mr Puggsly on 13 October 2011
osamanobama said:
sales2099 said:

5 million + users is a flop compared to the 11+ kinects sold. Thats what the media turned it into last holiday: a battle between kinect and Move. And guess who won lol. MS tried something new while Sony built upon what Nintendo did and paid the price. A lack of Move specific titles hurt it as well. 

And really......very little buy Move for games that primarily use a dualshock 3. 

Sony lost, MS won. Move failed expectations and Kinect succeeded where it failed. deal. 

so by that logic.

Call of duty won.

halo and gears lost. deal

Well Halo and Gears atleast have a bright future. The Kinect does as well. Move on the other hand...



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zuvuyeay on 13 October 2011

gears is a winner isn't it as a TPS

i'm assuming halo is all FPS the losetr that it is



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oniyide on 13 October 2011
Mr Puggsly said:
osamanobama said:
sales2099 said:

5 million + users is a flop compared to the 11+ kinects sold. Thats what the media turned it into last holiday: a battle between kinect and Move. And guess who won lol. MS tried something new while Sony built upon what Nintendo did and paid the price. A lack of Move specific titles hurt it as well. 

And really......very little buy Move for games that primarily use a dualshock 3. 

Sony lost, MS won. Move failed expectations and Kinect succeeded where it failed. deal. 

so by that logic.

Call of duty won.

halo and gears lost. deal

Well Halo and Gears atleast have a bright future. The Kinect does as well. Move on the other hand...


nice way to move goal posts. No, Kinect does not have a bright future. As soon as 720 releases it will be left behind just like the 360 will and the original Xbox before it