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Who do you support in the conflict and why?

Israel 124 34.35%
 
Palestine 235 65.10%
 
Total:359
Kynes said:
Kamal said:
I think the state of Israel or Palestine shouldn't exist, and should be born anew with people from both sides living in total harmony. The real world is far from that ideal...Maybe someday.


There are more than a million Muslims in Israel, so I don't think the main problem resides in the Jews part. Hamas leaders have said time and time again that they want to throw the Jews to the sea, so maybe they don't want to reach a peace treaty.


Hamas isn't the doesn't make up the overwhelming majority of those million muslims.... I don't condone what they're saying in the first....So why spring the topic in the first place?

I'm all for peace so lets throw down the guns and be progressive for once.



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Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

I would totally be Ok with the Native Americans forming an army and driving out Americans from thier homes.

I'd want the US government to fight back because i'd want to keep my shit....

but I'd understand why they were doing it.

Well assuming their main form of driving people out was indiscriminate attacks on indiviudals like the Palestinians....

and if the Native Americans were winning and drove us into a situation like Palestine... what I would want is the US government to give up  no matter how much land it would take and get rid of our extremist terrorists so they would have no excuse to attack us again.  So we could build up our economy and live prosperous lives.

Plus the ability to build up a real army that if people were violent enough to come to it... could take back the rest of the land we thought was ours.

 

And if I died and was reincarnated as a Native American after all that.... I'd understand why the US would be fighting to take back the land too.

Wouldn't it make more sense if the Jews were the Americans (i.e. the invaders) and the Palestinians the Native Americans (i.e. the natives)? I'm not talking about the situation of who's winning and who's not.

Well

A) In the above example the Jews are the Americans, and the Palestinians are the Native Americans.  Hence my being ok with it, just as long as the Native Americans weren't fighting like the Palestinians are.  Set up this way because who is winning.

B)  No, because the Jews weren't the Invaders, for all intensive purposes the British were.  More like when the British shipped it's priosners to Australia.

C) No, because the Jews were the original inhabitants who were driven out. 

I must've misunderstood your post.

And regardign C, hey, they left, it's no longer theirs anymore. The Jews who currently live in Israel came from Europe a couple of decades ago. Palestinians have been living there for centuries. They're more natives to the land than the Jews are. Sucks for the Jews that they're trying to perform ethnic cleansing in the 21st century.



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Palestine.

Because Israel was created out of racism and by illegal means and to this day Israel continues its terrorist state behavior in continued land grabs on Palestinian land.

Israel should have been forced to accept or at least negotiate from the full Arab League proposal several years go for full regional relations/peace/acceptance for the green line.

I wish US would wake up and focus on a moral and just solution vs the one that is pushed by AIPAC.



superchunk said:
Palestine.

Because Israel was created out of racism and by illegal means and to this day Israel continues its terrorist state behavior in continued land grabs on Palestinian land.

Israel should have been forced to accept or at least negotiate from the full Arab League proposal several years go for full regional relations/peace/acceptance for the green line.

I wish US would wake up and focus on a moral and just solution vs the one that is pushed by AIPAC.

The US always support factions which they consider support their interests. For example they're the ones who helped the Taliban rise to power in the first place.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kamal said:
Kynes said:
Kamal said:
I think the state of Israel or Palestine shouldn't exist, and should be born anew with people from both sides living in total harmony. The real world is far from that ideal...Maybe someday.


There are more than a million Muslims in Israel, so I don't think the main problem resides in the Jews part. Hamas leaders have said time and time again that they want to throw the Jews to the sea, so maybe they don't want to reach a peace treaty.


Hamas isn't the doesn't make up the overwhelming majority of those million muslims.... I don't condone what they're saying in the first....So why spring the topic in the first place?

I'm all for peace so lets throw down the guns and be progressive for once.

Hamas are at the government of the Gaza strip, so they must represent a big chunk of the Palestinian people.



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sapphi_snake said:

I must've misunderstood your post.

And regardign C, hey, they left, it's no longer theirs anymore. The Jews who currently live in Israel came from Europe a couple of decades ago. Palestinians have been living there for centuries. They're more natives to the land than the Jews are. Sucks for the Jews that they're trying to perform ethnic cleansing in the 21st century.

 

They didn't "leave", they were driven out. But never entirely, as there has always remained a Jewish minority, and since the ruling Ottomans allowed more Jews to return to Palestine and purchase land there over the centuries, the idea that their presence is somehow illegitimate seems dodgy at best and repugnant at worst.



badgenome said:

sapphi_snake said:

I must've misunderstood your post.

And regardign C, hey, they left, it's no longer theirs anymore. The Jews who currently live in Israel came from Europe a couple of decades ago. Palestinians have been living there for centuries. They're more natives to the land than the Jews are. Sucks for the Jews that they're trying to perform ethnic cleansing in the 21st century.

 

They didn't "leave", they were driven out. But never entirely, as there has always remained a Jewish minority, and since the ruling Ottomans allowed more Jews to return to Palestine and purchase land there over the centuries, the idea that their presence is somehow illegitimate seems dodgy at best and repugnant at worst.

Most of the Jews living in Israel came from Europe a couple of decades ago. Heck, even the language they speak was invented in Europe less than a century ago. And how does this excuse the ethnic cleansing?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kynes said:
Kamal said:
Kynes said:
Kamal said:
I think the state of Israel or Palestine shouldn't exist, and should be born anew with people from both sides living in total harmony. The real world is far from that ideal...Maybe someday.


There are more than a million Muslims in Israel, so I don't think the main problem resides in the Jews part. Hamas leaders have said time and time again that they want to throw the Jews to the sea, so maybe they don't want to reach a peace treaty.


Hamas isn't the doesn't make up the overwhelming majority of those million muslims.... I don't condone what they're saying in the first....So why spring the topic in the first place?

I'm all for peace so lets throw down the guns and be progressive for once.

Hamas are at the government of the Gaza strip, so they must represent a big chunk of the Palestinian people.

They seem to be out of favour in recent times.



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MrBubbles said:

Tiny Israel a giant in scientific research

Israel's contribution to the world of scientific research has won it a growing number of accolades, with the Jewish state turning out an impressive number of achievements relative to its size.

Israeli professor Dan Shechtman on Wednesday became the tenth Israeli to become a Nobel laureate when he won the prize for chemistry for his discovery of quasicrystals, which overturned scientific theory on the nature of solids.

"It's a paradigm shift in chemistry. His findings have rewritten the first chapter of textbooks of ordered matter," said Sven Lidin, a member of the Nobel Committee for Chemistry.

Shechtman's win was hailed by Israel's leaders as proof of the country's rich tradition of academic research.

"I want to congratulate you in the name of the citizens of Israel for your win, which reflects the intellect of our people," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement.

"There are not many countries who have won such a large number of Nobel prizes," said President Shimon Peres, himself a Nobel laureate.

Over the past 45 years, Israel has won a total of 10 Nobel prizes -- a major achievement for a country of just 7.8 million people.

Four have been in the field of chemistry, two were for economic sciences; one was awarded for literature while three Israelis have won the Nobel Peace prize, including Peres.

Israel is the country which counts the most engineers per head and ranks second only to the United States in the number of companies listed on Nasdaq.

Almost all the big names in technology -- from Intel and Google to Microsoft -- have important research and development centres in Israel, and there are 500 new start-ups every year.

Three of the Nobel chemistry laureates, including Shechtman, were graduates of the Technion, the prestigious technological university in the northern port city of Haifa, which has turned out 70 percent of the country's engineers and 80 percent of the executives of Israeli firms listed on Nasdaq.

Israel's fourth chemistry laureate, who won the award in 2009, came from the Weizmann Institute of Science near Tel Aviv, one of the country's leading research institutes, which has twice won the Turing Award, otherwise known as the Nobel prize of computing.

Other Weizmann researchers have won the Wolf Prizes in Medicine.

Part of Israel's success in academia, as in high-tech, lies in local researchers and developers who "do more with less," said Saul Singer, author of the 2009 bestseller "Start-up Nation: The Story of Israel's Economic Miracle."

"If you look at the top 25 drugs developed over the last decade or so, seven of them were partly developed at Weizmann. There's no other institution in the world that can say that," Singer told AFP, noting that Harvard developed only two of them -- and on a much larger budget.

"Or Tel Aviv University, which recently ranked number 11 in citations per faculty member. That's above Oxford, Cambridge and Yale. There's no comparison in terms of budgets involved," he said.

Through a mixture of determination and doggedness, Israel had excelled in both academia and start-ups, he said.

"Israel has gotten very good at doing this sort of thing," he said.

"The dynamics of being determined, creative, and doing more with less -- and also trying to solve big problems -- you see that at both the academic level and the start-up level."

Congratulating Shechtman, Education Minister Gideon Saar said scientific research would be crucial to Israel's future.

"Developing human capital and investing in education and higher education are the key to achievement and scientific research in the future," the minister said.

"The future of the State of Israel will be ensured by research on the highest level."

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Israel.

If the Israelis have it their way, the Palestinians will have hard lives.

If the Palestinians have it their way, the Israelis will all die.

Only one group wants to annihilate the other.