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Who do you support in the conflict and why?

Israel 124 34.35%
 
Palestine 235 65.10%
 
Total:359
Kasz216 said:
esssam said:
You know what, I actually find it very interesting that Palestine is winning the poll in a website where most visitors are Americans, (Israel's only allies) shows just about how many people actually support Israel


The US Media is quite Pro-Palestine in bias, though people like to claim otherwise.

generally to justify people calming assessing the facts of the situation.

HAHAHA, u must be joking right?? If that is correct u r basically now saying is that EITHER the WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD's media is Pro-palestine in bias Or the whole world is unbiased and truthful, u choose.



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esssam said:
Kasz216 said:
esssam said:
You know what, I actually find it very interesting that Palestine is winning the poll in a website where most visitors are Americans, (Israel's only allies) shows just about how many people actually support Israel


The US Media is quite Pro-Palestine in bias, though people like to claim otherwise.

generally to justify people calming assessing the facts of the situation.

HAHAHA, u must be joking right?? If that is correct u r basically now saying is that either the WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD's media is Pro-palestine in bias Or this really is the truth..

Outside of Israel anyway.

I mean there are Israel biased media orginizaitons, but they are the minority.

If I went soley by TV News reports and generally ignored actually researching the issue I'd be Pro Palestinian... like I was in highschool.



Kasz216 said:
esssam said:
Kasz216 said:
esssam said:
You know what, I actually find it very interesting that Palestine is winning the poll in a website where most visitors are Americans, (Israel's only allies) shows just about how many people actually support Israel


The US Media is quite Pro-Palestine in bias, though people like to claim otherwise.

generally to justify people calming assessing the facts of the situation.

HAHAHA, u must be joking right?? If that is correct u r basically now saying is that either the WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD's media is Pro-palestine in bias Or this really is the truth..

Outside of Israel anyway.

I mean there are Israel biased media orginizaitons, but they are the minority.

If I went soley by TV News reports and generally ignored actually researching the issue I'd be Pro Palestinian... like I was in highschool.


Well obviously outside of israel..... and this 'minority' u speak about, where? when?



esssam said:
Kasz216 said:
esssam said:
Kasz216 said:
esssam said:
You know what, I actually find it very interesting that Palestine is winning the poll in a website where most visitors are Americans, (Israel's only allies) shows just about how many people actually support Israel


The US Media is quite Pro-Palestine in bias, though people like to claim otherwise.

generally to justify people calming assessing the facts of the situation.

HAHAHA, u must be joking right?? If that is correct u r basically now saying is that either the WHOLE ENTIRE WORLD's media is Pro-palestine in bias Or this really is the truth..

Outside of Israel anyway.

I mean there are Israel biased media orginizaitons, but they are the minority.

If I went soley by TV News reports and generally ignored actually researching the issue I'd be Pro Palestinian... like I was in highschool.


Well obviously outside of israel..... and this 'minority' u speak about, where? when?


Like Fox News.  They're pretty obviously Pro Israel.  MSNBC and HSN however lean heavily Palestinian, while CNN tilts Palestinian and is leaning further that way ever since the head of HSN became the head of CNN.

Pretty much every op ed you see by a newspaper reporter on the subject is Pro-Palestinian.

 

Paestnian bias in the media is pretty apparent to those without an agenda.  I mean heck, look at Rueters over in england.  During the whole Flotilla raid there was talk about "alleged weapons" the people on the ship used to attack people and "alleged injured people."

In news articles by rueters, that used pictures that had knives and injured Israeli soldiers cropped out of them!

They had actual proof of what they said was alleged.

There are other cases of pictures of Israeli damage in Lebanon being altered with a computer to make things look worse.



I do not think that the Jews have any right to a 'historical homeland'. I also don't like Islamic states. So I vote for neither.



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Kamal said:
I think the state of Israel or Palestine shouldn't exist, and should be born anew with people from both sides living in total harmony. The real world is far from that ideal...Maybe someday.


There are more than a million Muslims in Israel, so I don't think the main problem resides in the Jews part. Hamas leaders have said time and time again that they want to throw the Jews to the sea, so maybe they don't want to reach a peace treaty.



Kamal said:
esssam said:
yo_john117 said:
osamanobama said:
well the land belongs to the israelis, so i would have to say Israel

This.

And how does it belong to them? is it because it used to be theirs according to religion?? ok, but does this give them an excuse to conquer it?? Lets say I used to live in a house and then I moved along and you came to rent it instead, does the fact that I used to live there before you give me an excuse to break in, physically vilate you and take the house? Because I really want to understand, when the jews were not in Israel were they taking a vacation just to come back to their "home" land again when it is finished?

I think Americans can't really talk in this matter when they forcibly eradicated the native Americans from their homeland. So by going that logic it is still their land and they can make settlements to force the British/Americans and leave the true indigenious people there.

I'm 100% with Palestine.

I would totally be Ok with the Native Americans forming an army and driving out Americans from thier homes.

I'd want the US government to fight back because i'd want to keep my shit....

but I'd understand why they were doing it.

Well assuming their main form of driving people out was indiscriminate attacks on indiviudals like the Palestinians....

and if the Native Americans were winning and drove us into a situation like Palestine... what I would want is the US government to give up  no matter how much land it would take and get rid of our extremist terrorists so they would have no excuse to attack us again.  So we could build up our economy and live prosperous lives.

Plus the ability to build up a real army that if people were violent enough to come to it... could take back the rest of the land we thought was ours.

 

And if I died and was reincarnated as a Native American after all that.... I'd understand why the US would be fighting to take back the land too.



Tiny Israel a giant in scientific research

Israel's contribution to the world of scientific research has won it a growing number of accolades, with the Jewish state turning out an impressive number of achievements relative to its size.

Israeli professor Dan Shechtman on Wednesday became the tenth Israeli to become a Nobel laureate when he won the prize for chemistry for his discovery of quasicrystals, which overturned scientific theory on the nature of solids.

"It's a paradigm shift in chemistry. His findings have rewritten the first chapter of textbooks of ordered matter," said Sven Lidin, a member of the Nobel Committee for Chemistry.

Shechtman's win was hailed by Israel's leaders as proof of the country's rich tradition of academic research.

"I want to congratulate you in the name of the citizens of Israel for your win, which reflects the intellect of our people," Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said in a statement.

"There are not many countries who have won such a large number of Nobel prizes," said President Shimon Peres, himself a Nobel laureate.

Over the past 45 years, Israel has won a total of 10 Nobel prizes -- a major achievement for a country of just 7.8 million people.

Four have been in the field of chemistry, two were for economic sciences; one was awarded for literature while three Israelis have won the Nobel Peace prize, including Peres.

Israel is the country which counts the most engineers per head and ranks second only to the United States in the number of companies listed on Nasdaq.

Almost all the big names in technology -- from Intel and Google to Microsoft -- have important research and development centres in Israel, and there are 500 new start-ups every year.

Three of the Nobel chemistry laureates, including Shechtman, were graduates of the Technion, the prestigious technological university in the northern port city of Haifa, which has turned out 70 percent of the country's engineers and 80 percent of the executives of Israeli firms listed on Nasdaq.

Israel's fourth chemistry laureate, who won the award in 2009, came from the Weizmann Institute of Science near Tel Aviv, one of the country's leading research institutes, which has twice won the Turing Award, otherwise known as the Nobel prize of computing.

Other Weizmann researchers have won the Wolf Prizes in Medicine.

Part of Israel's success in academia, as in high-tech, lies in local researchers and developers who "do more with less," said Saul Singer, author of the 2009 bestseller "Start-up Nation: The Story of Israel's Economic Miracle."

"If you look at the top 25 drugs developed over the last decade or so, seven of them were partly developed at Weizmann. There's no other institution in the world that can say that," Singer told AFP, noting that Harvard developed only two of them -- and on a much larger budget.

"Or Tel Aviv University, which recently ranked number 11 in citations per faculty member. That's above Oxford, Cambridge and Yale. There's no comparison in terms of budgets involved," he said.

Through a mixture of determination and doggedness, Israel had excelled in both academia and start-ups, he said.

"Israel has gotten very good at doing this sort of thing," he said.

"The dynamics of being determined, creative, and doing more with less -- and also trying to solve big problems -- you see that at both the academic level and the start-up level."

Congratulating Shechtman, Education Minister Gideon Saar said scientific research would be crucial to Israel's future.

"Developing human capital and investing in education and higher education are the key to achievement and scientific research in the future," the minister said.

"The future of the State of Israel will be ensured by research on the highest level."

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Kasz216 said:

I would totally be Ok with the Native Americans forming an army and driving out Americans from thier homes.

I'd want the US government to fight back because i'd want to keep my shit....

but I'd understand why they were doing it.

Well assuming their main form of driving people out was indiscriminate attacks on indiviudals like the Palestinians....

and if the Native Americans were winning and drove us into a situation like Palestine... what I would want is the US government to give up  no matter how much land it would take and get rid of our extremist terrorists so they would have no excuse to attack us again.  So we could build up our economy and live prosperous lives.

Plus the ability to build up a real army that if people were violent enough to come to it... could take back the rest of the land we thought was ours.

 

And if I died and was reincarnated as a Native American after all that.... I'd understand why the US would be fighting to take back the land too.

Wouldn't it make more sense if the Jews were the Americans (i.e. the invaders) and the Palestinians the Native Americans (i.e. the natives)? I'm not talking about the situation of who's winning and who's not.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

I would totally be Ok with the Native Americans forming an army and driving out Americans from thier homes.

I'd want the US government to fight back because i'd want to keep my shit....

but I'd understand why they were doing it.

Well assuming their main form of driving people out was indiscriminate attacks on indiviudals like the Palestinians....

and if the Native Americans were winning and drove us into a situation like Palestine... what I would want is the US government to give up  no matter how much land it would take and get rid of our extremist terrorists so they would have no excuse to attack us again.  So we could build up our economy and live prosperous lives.

Plus the ability to build up a real army that if people were violent enough to come to it... could take back the rest of the land we thought was ours.

 

And if I died and was reincarnated as a Native American after all that.... I'd understand why the US would be fighting to take back the land too.

Wouldn't it make more sense if the Jews were the Americans (i.e. the invaders) and the Palestinians the Native Americans (i.e. the natives)? I'm not talking about the situation of who's winning and who's not.

Well

A) In the above example the Jews are the Americans, and the Palestinians are the Native Americans.  Hence my being ok with it, just as long as the Native Americans weren't fighting like the Palestinians are.  Set up this way because who is winning.

B)  No, because the Jews weren't the Invaders, for all intensive purposes the British were.  More like when the British shipped it's priosners to Australia.

C) No, because the Jews were the original inhabitants who were driven out.