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Who do you support in the conflict and why?

Israel 124 34.35%
 
Palestine 235 65.10%
 
Total:359
Kamal said:
Kynes said:
Kamal said:
Kynes said:
Kamal said:
I think the state of Israel or Palestine shouldn't exist, and should be born anew with people from both sides living in total harmony. The real world is far from that ideal...Maybe someday.


There are more than a million Muslims in Israel, so I don't think the main problem resides in the Jews part. Hamas leaders have said time and time again that they want to throw the Jews to the sea, so maybe they don't want to reach a peace treaty.


Hamas isn't the doesn't make up the overwhelming majority of those million muslims.... I don't condone what they're saying in the first....So why spring the topic in the first place?

I'm all for peace so lets throw down the guns and be progressive for once.

Hamas are at the government of the Gaza strip, so they must represent a big chunk of the Palestinian people.

They seem to be out of favour in recent times.


they still are in control of about 50% of the population in the territories.  and since their only position is killing all the jews, its not even possible to negotiate for a state for all the palestianians, since half have no say at all.



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badgenome said:

sapphi_snake said:

I must've misunderstood your post.

And regardign C, hey, they left, it's no longer theirs anymore. The Jews who currently live in Israel came from Europe a couple of decades ago. Palestinians have been living there for centuries. They're more natives to the land than the Jews are. Sucks for the Jews that they're trying to perform ethnic cleansing in the 21st century.

 

They didn't "leave", they were driven out. But never entirely, as there has always remained a Jewish minority, and since the ruling Ottomans allowed more Jews to return to Palestine and purchase land there over the centuries, the idea that their presence is somehow illegitimate seems dodgy at best and repugnant at worst.


1) Nearly all of Jews in Israel in 1948 came from Europe. Even now there is a very high number of 1st year or 2nd gen Jews living there.

2) The Mosque on the Temple Mount has stood longer than both Temples combined. That in itself says a lot for whom has lived in that land the longest.

3) The Jews only legally owned about 60% of the land given to them in 1948 and of course have stolen far more sense then and continue to do so now.

When you look at things with out a biased history lesson you'll see that Israel's creation was the result of racism, European colonialism, and simply that the European Jews invading were far more powerful than the native Arabs who had been under Turkish/Ottoman control. Additionally, the British even broke their WWII agreement with Arabs over Palestine. THey had agreed that if the Arabs work with them to defeat Ottoman's then any area with an Arab majority would fall to Arab control. Palestine is the only area this did not happen... even though in 1945 Arabs (Muslim and Christian) were still over 85% of the population. Hell, in 1948 Arabs were still 60% of the population.... after all the illegal immigration.



Kynes said:
Kamal said:
Kynes said:
Kamal said:
I think the state of Israel or Palestine shouldn't exist, and should be born anew with people from both sides living in total harmony. The real world is far from that ideal...Maybe someday.


There are more than a million Muslims in Israel, so I don't think the main problem resides in the Jews part. Hamas leaders have said time and time again that they want to throw the Jews to the sea, so maybe they don't want to reach a peace treaty.


Hamas isn't the doesn't make up the overwhelming majority of those million muslims.... I don't condone what they're saying in the first....So why spring the topic in the first place?

I'm all for peace so lets throw down the guns and be progressive for once.

Hamas are at the government of the Gaza strip, so they must represent a big chunk of the Palestinian people.

They dont really represent a big chunk, palestinians are muslims and a muslim's way of greeting others is through saying 'alsalamu alaykom' which means 'peace be upon you'... basically, this alone shows how the islamic religion encourages them to be peacefeul and what hamas is doing is not peace. and please dont pull the argument towards hammas as my discussion is generally about palestinian people as a whole



Salnax said:
Israel.

If the Israelis have it their way, the Palestinians will have hard lives.

If the Palestinians have it their way, the Israelis will all die.

Only one group wants to annihilate the other.


False. Jewish settlers are equal to anything Hamas says or does. Difference is the settlers are backed by a long-term plan of the offical Israel government to continue taking Palestinian land and pushign them into Lebenon, Jordan, and Egypt.... well now not Egypt but just keep them pinned in Gaza.



esssam said:
Kynes said:
Kamal said:
Kynes said:
Kamal said:
I think the state of Israel or Palestine shouldn't exist, and should be born anew with people from both sides living in total harmony. The real world is far from that ideal...Maybe someday.


There are more than a million Muslims in Israel, so I don't think the main problem resides in the Jews part. Hamas leaders have said time and time again that they want to throw the Jews to the sea, so maybe they don't want to reach a peace treaty.


Hamas isn't the doesn't make up the overwhelming majority of those million muslims.... I don't condone what they're saying in the first....So why spring the topic in the first place?

I'm all for peace so lets throw down the guns and be progressive for once.

Hamas are at the government of the Gaza strip, so they must represent a big chunk of the Palestinian people.

They dont really represent a big chunk, palestinians are muslims and a muslim's way of greeting others is through saying 'alsalamu alaykom' which means 'peace be upon you'... basically, this alone shows how the islamic religion encourages them to be peacefeul and what hamas is doing is not peace. and please dont pull the argument towards hammas as my discussion is generally about palestinian people as a whole

Like I said if Hamas is halting the supposed "PEACE PROCESS" why would anyone be in favour of that? Let alone condoning acts of violence.

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I like how people like to say well Hamas this and Hamas that... however, they are no different than the Jewish Settler movement.

Settlers constantly harrass, kill, kidnap, terrorize the Palestinian people. However, much of their actions don't make it to mainstream news and they of course have the protection and support of Israeli military and courts.

They are the front line of the slower paced forced removal of the Palestinians from what's left of THEIR land.



superchunk said:
I like how people like to say well Hamas this and Hamas that... however, they are no different than the Jewish Settler movement.

Settlers constantly harrass, kill, kidnap, terrorize the Palestinian people. However, much of their actions don't make it to mainstream news and they of course have the protection and support of Israeli military and courts.

They are the front line of the slower paced forced removal of the Palestinians from what's left of THEIR land.


Settlers aren't the government. Hammas is.



Kynes said:
superchunk said:
I like how people like to say well Hamas this and Hamas that... however, they are no different than the Jewish Settler movement.

Settlers constantly harrass, kill, kidnap, terrorize the Palestinian people. However, much of their actions don't make it to mainstream news and they of course have the protection and support of Israeli military and courts.

They are the front line of the slower paced forced removal of the Palestinians from what's left of THEIR land.


Settlers aren't the government. Hammas is.

Settlers are protected by the government in every way including new legislation. Settlers are simply an arm of the govnerment. Really not much of a distinction.



When the Gaza strip Palestinians overrule Hammas government, then there will be a possibility to reach a peace treaty. While Hammas decides for more than a third of the Palestinians, I think it's impossible to have peace in the Holy land.



esssam said:
yo_john117 said:
osamanobama said:
well the land belongs to the israelis, so i would have to say Israel

This.

And how does it belong to them? is it because it used to be theirs according to religion?? ok, but does this give them an excuse to conquer it?? Lets say I used to live in a house and then I moved along and you came to rent it instead, does the fact that I used to live there before you give me an excuse to break in, physically vilate you and take the house? Because I really want to understand, when the jews were not in Israel were they taking a vacation just to come back to their "home" land again when it is finished?

Yes it's totally the Jews fault that they got conquered time and time again. Many Jews never actually left, they just got assimilated into the most recent people to conquer them.