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Who do you support in the conflict and why?

Israel 124 34.35%
 
Palestine 235 65.10%
 
Total:359
Kasz216 on 10 October 2011
Kynes said:
Mr Khan said:
MrBubbles said:
And what of the jews living all over the middle east forced to leave their home countries? where are the reparations for them? where is their right of return?

They ended up in a first-world country. Who's complaining?


That's a very naive way of seeing it. Jews have been prosecuted in Spain in the middle ages, even all of them departed in 1492, in Germany 6 million killed, in the Communist countries, South America... They have been fleeing from place to place, it's not that they had luck.

Interesting to note though.... when asked, more Arabs in Eastern Jerusalem say they would rather be a part of the Israeli state then the Palestinian state.

Something like 40% of people polled actually say that if the two state solution happened and Palestine gained control of East Jersualem they would leave their homes to stay on the Israeli side.  Versus something like... 26% the other way.

http://pechterpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Detailed-Survey-Results-on-E-Jerusalem-1-10-11-1034pm-Eastern.pdf

Not to say discrimiantion is right, (if there even is significant discrimination) but it's clearly considered preferable to living in a Palestinian state.



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zgamer5 on 10 October 2011

i dont support anyone, as a lebanese i have grudges with extremist palestinians groups such as fateh el islam, and i hate zionists.



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

zgamer5 on 10 October 2011
Kasz216 said:
esssam said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Israel has only existed since the end of the Second World War. Palestine has decreased in size as Israel has increased its boundaries and forced the Palestinians into refugee camps. The State of Palestine will no longer exist as Israel expands its boundaries and forces the Palestinians out of Israel.


EXACTLY, this summarises it ALL

Well, except for the fact that the Arab State of Palestine has never existed.   So if that's your arguement... (and it's a poor one.)

Second world war beats never.

what?

 

when england got a mandate over areas in the middle east it gave palestine borders.

 

so yes it did exist, but it was under a mandate.



Being in 3rd place never felt so good

Kamal on 10 October 2011
esssam said:
yo_john117 said:
osamanobama said:
well the land belongs to the israelis, so i would have to say Israel

This.

And how does it belong to them? is it because it used to be theirs according to religion?? ok, but does this give them an excuse to conquer it?? Lets say I used to live in a house and then I moved along and you came to rent it instead, does the fact that I used to live there before you give me an excuse to break in, physically vilate you and take the house? Because I really want to understand, when the jews were not in Israel were they taking a vacation just to come back to their "home" land again when it is finished?

I think Americans can't really talk in this matter when they forcibly eradicated the native Americans from their homeland. So by going that logic it is still their land and they can make settlements to force the British/Americans and leave the true indigenious people there.

I'm 100% with Palestine.



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

Kasz216 on 10 October 2011
zgamer5 said:
Kasz216 said:
esssam said:
Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Israel has only existed since the end of the Second World War. Palestine has decreased in size as Israel has increased its boundaries and forced the Palestinians into refugee camps. The State of Palestine will no longer exist as Israel expands its boundaries and forces the Palestinians out of Israel.


EXACTLY, this summarises it ALL

Well, except for the fact that the Arab State of Palestine has never existed.   So if that's your arguement... (and it's a poor one.)

Second world war beats never.

what?

 

when england got a mandate over areas in the middle east it gave palestine borders.

 

so yes it did exist, but it was under a mandate.

I fail to see why you think that invaldates my statement.

The Arab state of Palestine never existed.

The Mandate of Palestine set up the British territory of Palestine.

To suggest an arab state that never existed predates a country that currently exists, because of a territory of another country is about as silly an arguement as can get.

Though if you really want to argue that....

the Balfour Declaration predates the Palestine Mandate which states that part of Palestine when defined belongs to the Jews.



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esssam on 10 October 2011

You know what, I actually find it very interesting that Palestine is winning the poll in a website where most visitors are Americans, (Israel's only allies) shows just about how many people actually support Israel



Kasz216 on 10 October 2011
esssam said:
You know what, I actually find it very interesting that Palestine is winning the poll in a website where most visitors are Americans, (Israel's only allies) shows just about how many people actually support Israel


The US Media is quite Pro-Palestine in bias, though people like to claim otherwise.

Generally to justify people calming assessing the facts of the situation.



Mr Khan on 10 October 2011
Kynes said:
Mr Khan said:
MrBubbles said:
And what of the jews living all over the middle east forced to leave their home countries? where are the reparations for them? where is their right of return?

They ended up in a first-world country. Who's complaining?


That's a very naive way of seeing it. Jews have been prosecuted in Spain in the middle ages, even all of them departed in 1492, in Germany 6 million killed, in the Communist countries, South America... They have been fleeing from place to place, it's not that they had luck.

I mean specifically the Jews who were forced out of places in the Middle East like Yemen or Iraq to end up in Israel. Is any Israeli citizen clamoring to go back to Iraq or Yemen? No, so the logic doesn't work the other way



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Kamal on 10 October 2011

I think the state of Israel or Palestine shouldn't exist, and should be born anew with people from both sides living in total harmony. The real world is far from that ideal...Maybe someday.



"Life is but a gentle death. Fate is but a sickness that results in extinction and in the midst of all the uncertainty, lies resolve."

esssam on 10 October 2011

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