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d21lewis on 01 October 2011
Reasonable said:
Gears "popularized" cover and survival mode and therefore did influence other games. I'm not getting into arguments about who had stuff first as anyone with a fair knowledge of games history will know few of the mechanics of Gears were original. What Epic did was polish, blend and meld a mix of proven and less proven mechanics and made them popular.

All popular games influence other games. For example the critical success of Uncharted 2 in terms of SP narrative and writing clearly influenced the improvements in Gears 3 SP narrative.

Most games are trying to be popular, and they therefore happily crib for any other source or title.

I doubt Gears influenced Uncharted directly though, they were both too far into development for that and early on it was clear both would feature cover based shooting, but the "vibe" of Gears visible during development coupled with the success of Halo and similar titles clearly influenced Sony's desire to have games that were less whimsical and more grounded, and this obviously had an impact on Uncharted's tone for example.

Gameplay wise though they are clearly different and I doubt for example Uncharted has cover based shooting because Gears did.


Yet, another reasonable post.  But let's see you answer this question:  Who would win in a fight?  The cat in your avatar or the cat in Silver-Tiger's avatar?  Support your answer with reasons, please.



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d21lewis on 01 October 2011
o_O.Q said:

your opinion, imo games had them before gears and would have continued to incorporate them regardless of if gears existed or not


Well do me a favor.  Humor me.  Gears 2 brought the Horde in November 2008.  Which game had an online team of five (give or take) working together to survive an ever increasing group of enemies that grow stronger and stronger as the level increases.  Teamwork is the key--comuincating with your friends, distributing weapons, and leveling up are also important. 

Maybe some games got the mode because it was popular in Gears 2.  Maybe some games (ie: Call of Duty World at War) were going to have them, anyway.  It's a simple theme, actually.  Any one of us could have come up with it.  But which game had it before Gears?



o_O.Q on 01 October 2011
d21lewis said:
o_O.Q said:
 

your opinion, imo games had them before gears and would have continued to incorporate them regardless of if gears existed or not


Well do me a favor.  Humor me.  Gears 2 brought the Horde in November 2008.  Which game had an online team of five (give or take) working together to survive an ever increasing group of enemies that grow stronger and stronger as the level increases.  Teamwork is the key--comuincating with your friends, distributing weapons, and leveling up are also important. 

Maybe some games got the mode because it was popular in Gears 2.  Maybe some games (ie: Call of Duty World at War) were going to have them, anyway.  It's a simple theme, actually.  Any one of us could have come up with it.  But which game had it before Gears?

the outfit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC4BzL3ccF0

aliens vs predators classic 1000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6k8dNJgXNg

doom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-lwRFI7hU

l4d http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcr0lu96onA

wow i really don't believe that people think that coop gameplay against waves of enemies is something new these types of gameplay have been around since the first consoles were out 



SeXbox_360 on 01 October 2011

gears of war  is the most influencial shooter this gen. No arguments. 



SeXbox_360 on 01 October 2011
o_O.Q said:
d21lewis said:
o_O.Q said:
 

your opinion, imo games had them before gears and would have continued to incorporate them regardless of if gears existed or not


Well do me a favor.  Humor me.  Gears 2 brought the Horde in November 2008.  Which game had an online team of five (give or take) working together to survive an ever increasing group of enemies that grow stronger and stronger as the level increases.  Teamwork is the key--comuincating with your friends, distributing weapons, and leveling up are also important. 

Maybe some games got the mode because it was popular in Gears 2.  Maybe some games (ie: Call of Duty World at War) were going to have them, anyway.  It's a simple theme, actually.  Any one of us could have come up with it.  But which game had it before Gears?

the outfit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC4BzL3ccF0

aliens vs predators classic 1000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6k8dNJgXNg

doom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-lwRFI7hU

l4d http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcr0lu96onA

wow i really don't believe that people think that coop gameplay against waves of enemies is something new these types of gameplay have been around since the first consoles were out 


none of them did it as good as gears. If it was around why dind't peopel use them? Gears has influenced more games this gen than any other game. I can't believe you mentioned a terrible game like OUTFIT.



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o_O.Q on 01 October 2011
SeXbox_360 said:
o_O.Q said:
d21lewis said:
o_O.Q said:
 

your opinion, imo games had them before gears and would have continued to incorporate them regardless of if gears existed or not


Well do me a favor.  Humor me.  Gears 2 brought the Horde in November 2008.  Which game had an online team of five (give or take) working together to survive an ever increasing group of enemies that grow stronger and stronger as the level increases.  Teamwork is the key--comuincating with your friends, distributing weapons, and leveling up are also important. 

Maybe some games got the mode because it was popular in Gears 2.  Maybe some games (ie: Call of Duty World at War) were going to have them, anyway.  It's a simple theme, actually.  Any one of us could have come up with it.  But which game had it before Gears?

the outfit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC4BzL3ccF0

aliens vs predators classic 1000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6k8dNJgXNg

doom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-lwRFI7hU

l4d http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcr0lu96onA

wow i really don't believe that people think that coop gameplay against waves of enemies is something new these types of gameplay have been around since the first consoles were out 


none of them did it as good as gears. If it was around why dind't peopel use them? Gears has influenced more games this gen than any other game. I can't believe you mentioned a terrible game like OUTFIT.


thats your opinion

"Gears has influenced more games this gen than any other game" how so?



Reasonable on 01 October 2011
d21lewis said:
Reasonable said:
Gears "popularized" cover and survival mode and therefore did influence other games. I'm not getting into arguments about who had stuff first as anyone with a fair knowledge of games history will know few of the mechanics of Gears were original. What Epic did was polish, blend and meld a mix of proven and less proven mechanics and made them popular.

All popular games influence other games. For example the critical success of Uncharted 2 in terms of SP narrative and writing clearly influenced the improvements in Gears 3 SP narrative.

Most games are trying to be popular, and they therefore happily crib for any other source or title.

I doubt Gears influenced Uncharted directly though, they were both too far into development for that and early on it was clear both would feature cover based shooting, but the "vibe" of Gears visible during development coupled with the success of Halo and similar titles clearly influenced Sony's desire to have games that were less whimsical and more grounded, and this obviously had an impact on Uncharted's tone for example.

Gameplay wise though they are clearly different and I doubt for example Uncharted has cover based shooting because Gears did.


Yet, another reasonable post.  But let's see you answer this question:  Who would win in a fight?  The cat in your avatar or the cat in Silver-Tiger's avatar?  Support your answer with reasons, please.


They wouldn't fight!  They'd team up to promote world peace... and kick the ass of those who oppose it.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

oldschoolfool on 01 October 2011

the game is'nt revolutionary. that's just not true. I love the series,but it really doesn't do anything ground breaking.



d21lewis on 01 October 2011
o_O.Q said:
d21lewis said:
o_O.Q said:
 

your opinion, imo games had them before gears and would have continued to incorporate them regardless of if gears existed or not


Well do me a favor.  Humor me.  Gears 2 brought the Horde in November 2008.  Which game had an online team of five (give or take) working together to survive an ever increasing group of enemies that grow stronger and stronger as the level increases.  Teamwork is the key--comuincating with your friends, distributing weapons, and leveling up are also important. 

Maybe some games got the mode because it was popular in Gears 2.  Maybe some games (ie: Call of Duty World at War) were going to have them, anyway.  It's a simple theme, actually.  Any one of us could have come up with it.  But which game had it before Gears?

the outfit http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC4BzL3ccF0

aliens vs predators classic 1000 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6k8dNJgXNg

doom http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-lwRFI7hU

l4d http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gcr0lu96onA

wow i really don't believe that people think that coop gameplay against waves of enemies is something new these types of gameplay have been around since the first consoles were out 


L4D got survival mode after Gears.  That Doom video was from the multi-player campaign.  That AVP video--I could be wrong but it just looked like some kind of death match using bots.  Never heard of it, though so I could be wrong.  Still, you have to use a loooooot of imagination to say that is like Horde mode.  And The Outfit was just four player campaign, too (and it's a strategy game).

But you are sorta right.  I remember having Spawn on the Dreamcast and it was basically team up to kill a group of enemies in an arena.  It sucked hard, though.  I'll look at it like this:  Mario wasn't the first platformer but it was the first platformet to do the genre justice.  As a result, it spawned a billion 2D knockoffs.  Gears is the finest implementation of a "Horde Mode" compared to anything before it.  In a way, it's just an online team death match vs. some incredibly varied AI controlled opponents.  So there.



mantlepiecek on 01 October 2011

^^Left 4 dead got a survival mode after gears of war, but the actual game is just like a survival mode. Its a 4 player co-op game, where you kill zombies to reach the end of the level. There are unlimited no of zombies. It doesn't have a story and it can be played online.

When you reach the next level you get points for killing the zombies.

The only difference between horde mode and gears of war seems to be that gears of war takes place on a single map whereas left 4 dead takes place on 5 huge maps. However survival mode takes place on only 1 small map.
That's the only difference between normal l4d and survival l4d.