Fanboys get banned, moderators are really good here. yea. its not just there job. its ours to.its called working together.

N64 was your first console? You're 26, that means you got into gaming at earliest 10. You had nothing before that? well N64 was the first console i bought. i had always been around consoles growing up. before the NES i was a PC gamer. and even with NES i was a PC gamer. i've play'd on near every console ever made since i could walk, talk, and play. its just hwt gaming ment to me then and wht it means now are 2 different things. to be honest i new nothing about gens until i came here.

the funnyer thing is that in my area everything was called a Nintendo from from sega's to playstations, and most of the time still are. so N64 was the first console i own'd and bought and i play'd on the NES until about 4 yrs ago before it died, so from about 1987 till 2004 i gamed mainly on the NES while owning a PS2 and N64, and yea i've own'd all sega consoles except dreamcast but i gamed on that 2. 

I've always been a hardcore Nintendo fanboy. My sister had a SNES, and I wanted my own system so I got a genesis. However I was pretty disappointed with the genesis so I got an N64 when it came out, and then a PS1 for some reason. Last gen I bought a PS2 and GCN basically at launch, but I played the Cube more then the PS2. However looking back, I should have played more PS2. This gen I went 360 because I didn't have an X-Box 1, and before Uncharted 2, 360 really looked like a lot better of a console (I mean Bioshock, Lost Planet, and Elder Scrolls were all exclusives at one point, and multiplatform games looked better on 360). However reliability was terrible, so I bought a used PS3 while my 360 was off for repairs, and I later bought a Wii because finally a proper Mario Kart, and Pikmin 3 (now Wii U). However My PS3 broke, and with the right amount of b***hing I got a much more reliable HDMI 360 free (with a free controller by accident). Next gen I'm doing what you did and sticking with brands I know and trust. So it's PS4 for me, and maybe a Nextbox after a few models come for reliability issues and overall disgust and MS market strategy.  you know it asstounds me how little i new about gaming before the 7th gen.

PSN is almost as good as XBL. Considering PSN is free and XBL is $60 a year, PSN is a great bargain. The only benefit I take advantage of in XBL is cross game chat (Party's). That and mic's came with the 360, but that's not exactly an XBL benefit. However I don't do party chat's that much anymore. I would say PSN is better because I can literally pick it up and play it for 3 hours for 1 day of the month, and not worry about cost. XBL is only available over monthly timeframes, and I really don't play online much during the summer. PSN is actually one big reason why I am switching back to Sony next gen. cool. PSeye does like some webcam stuff out of games on PS3. it fix's that problem.

As for your speculation. MS has $$$ Remember how many third party exclusives the 360 had at the start of this gen? Also 360 did start off with a decent amount of first party support. Project Gotham Racing 3, Perfect Dark Zero, and Kameo. Followed by Halo, Forza, PGR4, Crackdown, Fusion Frenzy and 2 Viva Pinyata's in the next 2 years. Sony wasn't much different with the PS3. Resistance was the only 1st party launch game, and it's only a 1st party IP developed by a third party company, so I'm not sure if that really counts. Then in the next two years they developed a couple Motorstorms, Uncharted, Eye of Judgement, Ratchet & Clank, Warhawk, LBP, SOCOM, a second Resistance, and a handful of sports/sing games.  agreed. the differencee is even playing field where there are no advantages based on this gen.

lets be clear. Sony was stupid in thinking they had this gen on lock, cause every gen gamers look for the best value and that was 360 at the time. 360 hit the gate first, PS3 struggled, and MS had the install base so they had the advantage but games that go multiplatform mean nothing after they go multiplatform. it may mean something to the fanboys looking for bragging rights but bragging rights me nothing to me if i get the game on my console of choice even if yours got it first.

all i'll have to say is that it may have come to your console first but we'll see the sequal day and date. oh you get DLC first? ok i'll get mine 1 month later costing the same price with the same functions or i can wait for the special addition and get all the DLC that you paid for and got first free. theres always a counter. yours just have to look better while making theres look meaningless, you wouldn't beleive how well i do it. the main problem i have is the younger fanboys. i think MS will be ready but they may be to blind to focus on themselves v 3rd party. Ninty never needed 3rd party but they want 3rd party. Sony will likely not need 3rd party. i think Sony made it back on there own, now that can be disputed considering COD is the biggest seller on PS3, but before COD could do anything Sony had to work on them other wise PS3 would still be in a distant 3rd place.

So I don't think you are giving MS enough credit. After all they are still selling good volumes of 360's even though it's at a higher price point then the PS3. I mean if they have the ability to sell a cheaper system at a higher price, who knows what they can pull next gen. I often hear MS has a 3 generation home console strategy. X-Box was to get a name out there, 360 was to get the brand some recognition, and next gen for them to go full out. see i've always been ready for this as me and a good friend of mine who can debate and talk about anything sit down(kind of like wht we've done)and talk about the pros and cons of each system and just by the numbers and not personal preference PS3 won. he like american engineering. i like the best/most reliable product(and always look for the best bargains before purchase)and we agree on the pros and cons of each system leaving personal opinions out. 

remember when i said i started out as a PC gamer! which PC manufactures PC do you think i started out on? one was apple i'll let you guess the other.

MS will have some sort of third party game. Gears of War got big because MS heavily funded the project, I'm sure MS will do the same with some other game next gen. This is why even though Gears is third party, at least this gen I give it the same credit as a first party game. MS had a lot to do with the franchise getting to where it is. i do to. for me it is a first party title because GEARS 1-3 are all on 360, so its important to the 360 brand.

Fanboyism is bigger now that it used to be. Before, during the PS1 and PS2 era, people generally accepeted Sony is better, but N64 really had some fun multiplayer games, and some of the greatests exclusives. Same with the SNES era with SNES being accepted as better. This gen marks the first gen where people conflict in opinion. It only makes it worse that PS3 and 360 sell about equally well. dito but before VGC i had no idea it was this bad. if anybody had approached me and asked me which one was better during the PS2 era i would have said you better get the fuck out my face with that shit lol.

so many gens i've missed out on but i was there and didn't know. its better to be well informed then not know anything, and not knowing pisses me off.

To be honest, I'm still learning about gaming. I played Chrono Trigger during the 6th gen, not the 4th, and it's my favorite game. I didn't miss many great Nintendo games just because I was so hardcore, and I retroactivly bought all the good X-Box games, but Sony man.... I'm missing a lot of great sony games. I think at the end of the 7th gen I became compitent about games, and I knew what I wanted. So at this point I knew exactly what PS2 games I was missing out on, niche or mainstream, and I knew what PS1 games I missed, along with Sega Saturn, but now PS3 has flourished much better then I expected. So it leads me to believe to just stick with Sony. However get a Nintendo every other gen because they tend to make their systems BC to 1 gen at least, and get a 360 when it's cheap (assuming that make a cheap model). yea my 360 died. well i didn't own it but it was in my house so it was mine. i'm just learning wht i missed out on and will continue to learn for some time to come. well Sony said the games are coming! (while showing up at E3 with nothing for 2 yrs straight lol)

I think Internet has helped out in our knowledge of upcoming games and quality. Before the 6th gen, websites like IGN were just forming, and forums weren't big yet. Now look how much help they provide. It may not just be us being kids, it may be us having more access to information, and demos being available without rentals. dito. yea the timmy has help'd me out alot this gen. i've even gotten lazy waiting for others to post the info. last yr i was so much more active on the site. when i get things staright i'll get back to it.

Sony did start off stupid this gen, I agree, but it's not just because Sony thought they had this gen in the bag. Sony makes most of its money selling Blu-Ray players (or DVD's and CD's back in the day). They make royalties off every system sold, and royalties off every movie sold. They put Blu-Ray in PS3 prematurely. When PS1 and PS2 had CD and DVD disk systems, they were already big. Blue Ray hadn't even won the platform war when they put in on a PS3. It was also very expensive. agreed. next gen should be pure profit for Sony. i heard something about a 16 or 32 core proccessor which sounds expensive and not needed. i think PS3 has been max'd out RAM wise for at lest 2 yrs now but theres still power in that Harley lol.

Sony did this because PS3 does help in Blu-Ray sales, and selling a DVD PS3 when they have Blu-Ray shows that they don't even support Blu-Ray. So it was a buisness decision, which helped them in the movie industry, but hurt them in the gaming industry. There is no Blu-Ray replacement yet, but in 10 years (so 9th gen) there will be. So I don't think the PS4 will cost anywhere nearly as much out of the gate, Sony may start strong again. agreed. they'll have more focus with games mainly at launch which is something else i think they lern'd i think we'll likely see key IP start off the 8th gen then we'll see a heavyer focus on new IP from Sony. Bluray is awsume. i heard Blu-ray has gotten more space on it?

PS3 cost likely about $199 or maybe less to make right now so in 2013 PS4 shouldn't cost no more then $299 to make while being sold at $350 if that. it seems the main focus for dev's is higher RAM (8G) so if thats acheived $299 will likely be the starting price with maybe 200G hardrive.

I agree, Sony really developed their first party studios this generation. Next gen, they might be able to make some real awesome AAA 10 million selling games. If sony losses MGS exclusivity that may still hurt them, but Sony can hold their own now, and I think in the future, all console makers will have to do this too. dito. MGS will be multiplatform next gen theres no doubt in my mind about that but GEARS(may not be 4. could be called something else)is the coin that flips. hey EPIC did say GEARS would work great on vita?

Also I think I agree PS3 is better then 360, just not for me. Like I said I don't care for half the PS3 exclusives (platformers, action adventure, etc), so that alone is enough for me to like 360 more. Also, living in Canada, where 360 is more popular then PS3, used games drop much faster on 360. Except for Call of Duty, by the time a 360 game drops to $20, the PS3 version is still $30 or more. I mean I bought Dead Space 2 for $30 when it was still $50 on PS3, and this rule is especially true for timed 360 releases. thats strange but thats Canada. i'm thinking about dual citizenship cause American politicians have no since and don't know the meaning of change but thats another topic altogether. it seems PS3 games become cheaper here in the city of Alexandria and state of Louisiana, but thats just from my experiance. Canada always gets over looked. 

and we agree about Gears, good. We actually agree on a lot of things. more then you'd think i'm sure.

did you figure out wht other PC  i gamed on?

Next gen will be the first generation Sony releases a Playstation console without including a new media device with it. Profit will be higher, but could this hurt sales? I mean I bought my PS2 at first because it was also a DVD player, and I know several people who bought a PS3 as a cheap blu-ray player, and then picked up a couple games for it. Thoughts?  well i fill that area is smaller in numbers. eslimate in your mind how many PS3 owners own one just for blu-ray. hell i doubt they make up 1m of the owners that own a PS3. yea PS3 help'd Blu-ray but not by that much.

in general gamers will look for the best value and we'll see which one has the best value. i think i gave the impression that i'll automaticaly get a PS4! thats not actualy the case? you see, once again its about value, and while Sony has done that this gen. the rules have changed again for the 8th gen. it was 8 new innovative ip. the rules are the same for handhelds and Vita has already done wht PS3 is only just passing. 

20 new innovative IP, with no usual suspects. so UC, KZ, LBP, or from the third through seven gen ip will not get me to purchase any console next gen. they all have to be new. any sequal's from this gen are just added bonuses. 

yes i know i'm demanding and you should be to.

As for PS3 (and 360) processing power. Both are maxed, not just with RAM, but graphically too. However people are just learning techniques to show better graphics and have better AI while using less processing power. When the PS3 and 360 first came out people just used old engines and turned up the polygon count, texture resolution, anti aliasing, etc. However knowing how much of which to alter will get better graphics out of the system. E.g. Forza 3 and 4 run on the same engine, but Forza 4 looks noticably better. Gears of War also follows this logic, but Halo and Killzone were largely redesigned. well i wasn't talking about graphic's. i was talking about raw power which is said by many third party not to be max'd out yet.

There is a such thing as a dual layer Blu-Ray disk. 360 and Wii currently use Dual layer DVD's and the logic for Blu-Ray disks are the same. Disk space will increase to 90GB, but most games now only use 10 GB. The only games that use more then 10GB are those with very loosly tied up codes (why limit the code if the space is less limited), and games with long HD cinematics. So MGS, Final Fantasy XIII, and Resistance (different coding) use most of the Blu-Ray. yea i understand that. so space increased from 50g to 90g?

As for starting a console out with a new IP, that's probably going to be true, but there will also be an old IP as well. Most good launches have 1 good old IP too. I think PS4 might start out with Killzone 4. yea likely, or UC, but naughtydog has a history of creating new ip every gen.

As for price, I doubt a PS3 costs $200 to make now. PSV might cost $200, PS3 costs $100 max. A Blu Ray drive is like $10 to produce for Sony now (just the drive), that's why standalone units are being sold for $100. The PC components are also old, 512MB of DDR3 ram is a joke nowdays. yea i was just considering a logical cost. Sony does seem more comfortable so maybe PS3 does cost closer to $100. yea PC gamers are laughing at us right now with there 2G RAMS.

I think Gears and MGS both have about equal chances to go multiplatform. MGS2 did release on X-Box 1 after all. dito

I have family in New York, and in New York used 360 games are also much cheaper then PS3 games. This is likely just because in Americas 360 far outsells PS3, so there are significantly more used copies laying around. There are more console owners too, but when inventory is high, price drops. supply over demand

As for what other PC you gamed on, I dunno much about PC's, but first of all a Mac is not a PC. PC is Microsoft and Mac is Apple. You likely gamed on a Microsoft PC. if its a computer then its a PC to me no matter whether its apple pr compaq. well you in Canada but theres a commercial that gives you a PC if you can find one for under 1K and they showed the apple air make or something like that so a MAC is a PC.

or better yet if it has a CPU the its a PC, hins my argument that home consoles are portable PC's lol.

i know the difference i mean hell i was an apple fan, but yes it was MS. i wrote and essay about the gateway 2000 when i was in the 5th grade. yep i left home consoles and went back to PC gaming for a the gateway 2k.

Exactly, so wouldn't some potential new PS3 owners get a PSV instead? They are both $250 machines after all, and most Japanese gamers have migrated to handhelds.

It's a possibility, especially when you factor in that some games will have both a Vita and PS3 version, like Dragon's Crown, which I guess will be pretty much the same on both platforms. Of course, the Vita complements the PS3 and I think a lot of people will buy it to do just that.