Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
Fanboyism is bigger now that it used to be. Before, during the PS1 and PS2 era, people generally accepeted Sony is better, but N64 really had some fun multiplayer games, and some of the greatests exclusives. Same with the SNES era with SNES being accepted as better. This gen marks the first gen where people conflict in opinion. It only makes it worse that PS3 and 360 sell about equally well. dito but before VGC i had no idea it was this bad. if anybody had approached me and asked me which one was better during the PS2 era i would have said you better get the fuck out my face with that shit lol.
so many gens i've missed out on but i was there and didn't know. its better to be well informed then not know anything, and not knowing pisses me off.
To be honest, I'm still learning about gaming. I played Chrono Trigger during the 6th gen, not the 4th, and it's my favorite game. I didn't miss many great Nintendo games just because I was so hardcore, and I retroactivly bought all the good X-Box games, but Sony man.... I'm missing a lot of great sony games. I think at the end of the 7th gen I became compitent about games, and I knew what I wanted. So at this point I knew exactly what PS2 games I was missing out on, niche or mainstream, and I knew what PS1 games I missed, along with Sega Saturn, but now PS3 has flourished much better then I expected. So it leads me to believe to just stick with Sony. However get a Nintendo every other gen because they tend to make their systems BC to 1 gen at least, and get a 360 when it's cheap (assuming that make a cheap model). yea my 360 died. well i didn't own it but it was in my house so it was mine. i'm just learning wht i missed out on and will continue to learn for some time to come. well Sony said the games are coming! (while showing up at E3 with nothing for 2 yrs straight lol)
I think Internet has helped out in our knowledge of upcoming games and quality. Before the 6th gen, websites like IGN were just forming, and forums weren't big yet. Now look how much help they provide. It may not just be us being kids, it may be us having more access to information, and demos being available without rentals. dito. yea the timmy has help'd me out alot this gen. i've even gotten lazy waiting for others to post the info. last yr i was so much more active on the site. when i get things staright i'll get back to it.
Sony did start off stupid this gen, I agree, but it's not just because Sony thought they had this gen in the bag. Sony makes most of its money selling Blu-Ray players (or DVD's and CD's back in the day). They make royalties off every system sold, and royalties off every movie sold. They put Blu-Ray in PS3 prematurely. When PS1 and PS2 had CD and DVD disk systems, they were already big. Blue Ray hadn't even won the platform war when they put in on a PS3. It was also very expensive. agreed. next gen should be pure profit for Sony. i heard something about a 16 or 32 core proccessor which sounds expensive and not needed. i think PS3 has been max'd out RAM wise for at lest 2 yrs now but theres still power in that Harley lol.
Sony did this because PS3 does help in Blu-Ray sales, and selling a DVD PS3 when they have Blu-Ray shows that they don't even support Blu-Ray. So it was a buisness decision, which helped them in the movie industry, but hurt them in the gaming industry. There is no Blu-Ray replacement yet, but in 10 years (so 9th gen) there will be. So I don't think the PS4 will cost anywhere nearly as much out of the gate, Sony may start strong again. agreed. they'll have more focus with games mainly at launch which is something else i think they lern'd i think we'll likely see key IP start off the 8th gen then we'll see a heavyer focus on new IP from Sony. Bluray is awsume. i heard Blu-ray has gotten more space on it?
PS3 cost likely about $199 or maybe less to make right now so in 2013 PS4 shouldn't cost no more then $299 to make while being sold at $350 if that. it seems the main focus for dev's is higher RAM (8G) so if thats acheived $299 will likely be the starting price with maybe 200G hardrive.
I agree, Sony really developed their first party studios this generation. Next gen, they might be able to make some real awesome AAA 10 million selling games. If sony losses MGS exclusivity that may still hurt them, but Sony can hold their own now, and I think in the future, all console makers will have to do this too. dito. MGS will be multiplatform next gen theres no doubt in my mind about that but GEARS(may not be 4. could be called something else)is the coin that flips. hey EPIC did say GEARS would work great on vita?
Also I think I agree PS3 is better then 360, just not for me. Like I said I don't care for half the PS3 exclusives (platformers, action adventure, etc), so that alone is enough for me to like 360 more. Also, living in Canada, where 360 is more popular then PS3, used games drop much faster on 360. Except for Call of Duty, by the time a 360 game drops to $20, the PS3 version is still $30 or more. I mean I bought Dead Space 2 for $30 when it was still $50 on PS3, and this rule is especially true for timed 360 releases. thats strange but thats Canada. i'm thinking about dual citizenship cause American politicians have no since and don't know the meaning of change but thats another topic altogether. it seems PS3 games become cheaper here in the city of Alexandria and state of Louisiana, but thats just from my experiance. Canada always gets over looked.
and we agree about Gears, good. We actually agree on a lot of things. more then you'd think i'm sure.
did you figure out wht other PC i gamed on?
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Next gen will be the first generation Sony releases a Playstation console without including a new media device with it. Profit will be higher, but could this hurt sales? I mean I bought my PS2 at first because it was also a DVD player, and I know several people who bought a PS3 as a cheap blu-ray player, and then picked up a couple games for it. Thoughts? well i fill that area is smaller in numbers. eslimate in your mind how many PS3 owners own one just for blu-ray. hell i doubt they make up 1m of the owners that own a PS3. yea PS3 help'd Blu-ray but not by that much.
in general gamers will look for the best value and we'll see which one has the best value. i think i gave the impression that i'll automaticaly get a PS4! thats not actualy the case? you see, once again its about value, and while Sony has done that this gen. the rules have changed again for the 8th gen. it was 8 new innovative ip. the rules are the same for handhelds and Vita has already done wht PS3 is only just passing.
20 new innovative IP, with no usual suspects. so UC, KZ, LBP, or from the third through seven gen ip will not get me to purchase any console next gen. they all have to be new. any sequal's from this gen are just added bonuses.
yes i know i'm demanding and you should be to.
As for PS3 (and 360) processing power. Both are maxed, not just with RAM, but graphically too. However people are just learning techniques to show better graphics and have better AI while using less processing power. When the PS3 and 360 first came out people just used old engines and turned up the polygon count, texture resolution, anti aliasing, etc. However knowing how much of which to alter will get better graphics out of the system. E.g. Forza 3 and 4 run on the same engine, but Forza 4 looks noticably better. Gears of War also follows this logic, but Halo and Killzone were largely redesigned. well i wasn't talking about graphic's. i was talking about raw power which is said by many third party not to be max'd out yet.
There is a such thing as a dual layer Blu-Ray disk. 360 and Wii currently use Dual layer DVD's and the logic for Blu-Ray disks are the same. Disk space will increase to 90GB, but most games now only use 10 GB. The only games that use more then 10GB are those with very loosly tied up codes (why limit the code if the space is less limited), and games with long HD cinematics. So MGS, Final Fantasy XIII, and Resistance (different coding) use most of the Blu-Ray. yea i understand that. so space increased from 50g to 90g?
As for starting a console out with a new IP, that's probably going to be true, but there will also be an old IP as well. Most good launches have 1 good old IP too. I think PS4 might start out with Killzone 4. yea likely, or UC, but naughtydog has a history of creating new ip every gen.
As for price, I doubt a PS3 costs $200 to make now. PSV might cost $200, PS3 costs $100 max. A Blu Ray drive is like $10 to produce for Sony now (just the drive), that's why standalone units are being sold for $100. The PC components are also old, 512MB of DDR3 ram is a joke nowdays. yea i was just considering a logical cost. Sony does seem more comfortable so maybe PS3 does cost closer to $100. yea PC gamers are laughing at us right now with there 2G RAMS.
I think Gears and MGS both have about equal chances to go multiplatform. MGS2 did release on X-Box 1 after all. dito
I have family in New York, and in New York used 360 games are also much cheaper then PS3 games. This is likely just because in Americas 360 far outsells PS3, so there are significantly more used copies laying around. There are more console owners too, but when inventory is high, price drops. supply over demand
As for what other PC you gamed on, I dunno much about PC's, but first of all a Mac is not a PC. PC is Microsoft and Mac is Apple. You likely gamed on a Microsoft PC. if its a computer then its a PC to me no matter whether its apple pr compaq. well you in Canada but theres a commercial that gives you a PC if you can find one for under 1K and they showed the apple air make or something like that so a MAC is a PC.
or better yet if it has a CPU the its a PC, hins my argument that home consoles are portable PC's lol.
i know the difference i mean hell i was an apple fan, but yes it was MS. i wrote and essay about the gateway 2000 when i was in the 5th grade. yep i left home consoles and went back to PC gaming for a the gateway 2k.
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