The three religions has been modified by extremist !! it's one of the reasons persones don't belief any more in it :)

just about corruption poverty etc you may ask why there are so injustice in the world :) look arround you ! you will find that it's not the mistake of god => it's only the mistake of humans ..

i'v read about big bang and other things :) can someone prove to me that it's not god who maked it ? can someone prove to me that he don't exist :) if you don't want to belief it's your choice but try to be more opened !! and don't even think that when you don't belief in god you are more intelligent or more cooooooll lol

only look arround you and ask yourself : how was the begining of all this :) you'll find that there is no answer and the only one who have it is God !! with our science we have accomplish a lot of things but when you last years of analysis to send one space shutlle don't talk about the begining of the universe and big bang and parallel words etc ... we have a little brain don't forget

i haven't belief on him a long time but now i'm doing it with my heart and my way of life with other persons, trynig to be better with others and i believe on him :) try only to make  one step to him, only to him you will see haw much bueatiful it's ! (without falling in extremism)

Free will is also about making choices. Which Job did. He chose to stay with God. You see stoping bad things to happen as the only way of protecting someone. Faith also acts as protection.
Why should God and Job fear obstacles? Isn`t love also about letting others choose what they want?
The question is not so much about if Job can stop the devil or not, but about letting him choose and fully act as a free person. In the end, if Job had lost his faith he would have given up and despite all his love for god made him hang on and preservere.
If God didn`t love Job, why reward - even in double?
The book of Job is to teach that despite what the devil throws at you if you hang on (choose) to your faith you will be rewarded in one way or another.
"god encourages in order to spite the devil and further inflate his own ego."
your presonnal interpretation.

So if God doesn`t give anything is bad, but if He does give He`s still bad? What would make Job happy? Probably God knew what it was and gave it to him - and more as reward, like when people are given heaven for their faith.
Nothing points to people being as valuable as things to be replaced lke things. Not here, not anywhere.

Or maybe you are just reading more than it`s there because of your hatred for God?

You seem to just be babbling nonsense honestly. And as I expected, this whole conversation is going in circles because you can't/refuse to understand what I'm saying.

Since when is knowingly torturing someone 'love'? Why should god allow satan to torture Job and his family like that, all the prove a point? Why does god have to prove anything to satan, and why is proving satan wrong more important then the well-being of his subjects? And what makes it worse is that being all knowing, this entire event was simply pointless and cruel.

Job had to go through obstacles? So I guess that torturing and killing Job's family was no big deal, I mean they're just replaceable objects, no? They're of no importance, only Job is, no? Their entire value in lfie is determined by their being Job's family, a sort of objects that are his property, which can be destroyed and replaced by new ones, no?

God gave Job a 'reward'? So a new family is a reward for passing the 'test', a replacement for what was lost? Again, you're viweing humans as mere replaceable objects. You're also forgetting that God essentially put Job through that for no good reason whatsoever, other than to satisfy a whim.

You have a very infantile POV, but it's clear that there's no reasoning with you. More people like you should move to North Korea. You're what Kim Jong Il's looking for in his citizens.

P.S.: I don't hate imaginary entities.

It was in a book called The Music of the Primes by Simon Singh. It said that if we could prove the Riemann hypothesis was undecidable (per Godel), then it would have to be true, because if it was false one could find a counterexample and the problem would not be undecidable. So if it is undecidable it is true but we cannot show from the axioms of maths that it is.

I'm not claiming I can show those things are more true. I'm just trying to say that the fact you can't have an absolute proof standard, not even with mathematics, doesn't mean it is useless to argue about anything. God can't be proven or disproven =/= 50% chance of god existing. Gravity can't be proven or disproven =/= 50% chance of gravity existing. 

The incompleteness theorem means your personal logic can't be proven to be consistent either. Even if it's different to normal maths. I can also tell you don't have enough maths or physics education to understand what you are saying by fourth spatial dimension.

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My main challenge to those of faith is:

if your god is a personal god that has an effect on the universe, why is the effect not measurable using science?
Alternatively if your god does not affect the universe, why is he deserving of worship? Your actions will have no effect.

The one who tortured was Satan. So no, it wasn`t out of love.
When God made us He made us out of love. The thing is He doesn`t want us to follow one path. Loving us He gave us the chance of even denying Him.
Being free is that. The real question to Job ended up being about what he wanted. It`s no different from when Jesus was tempted. The devil also tempted Him and He chose, of course that didn`t stop the devil from doing everything in his power to deviate Jesus from God. And the same happened to Job.
So, it`s not a question of proving something to Satan. Life is meant to be a relationship with God, we just accept it or not and the devil will do everything in his power to keep us away from Him. It`s the same for everyone and Jesus has it no diffferently.
Who says his family wasn`t important? Won`t they, victims of Satan`s evil, also receive their reward?

I think you are being too literal when it comes to the words "reward" and "give". Seems you are not looking at the feelings behind them.
God rewarded him with hapiness. And what would make him happy? Family. So God joined him with another woman who would give him sons. Why is this part different than before everything started. God also gave him the first time around.

"P.S.: I don't hate imaginary entities."
Me neither, since my feelings are for real things. Aren`t yours?

I'm sure that there's a lot more to it and that it's probably difficult to explain in two sentences to someone completely clueless about it, but that really seems like the most laughable logic I've ever heard. Lack of a counterexample has never ever been the way to prove something.

Also, I really think you're misinterpreting me. I'm not trying to claim that everything that you can't prove is equally possible and impossible. I think we're really on the same page here - I'm just saying that you can't prove that one plus one equaling two is more likely than the existence of God/gods, even if it likely and almost certainly is.

Oh, and I never said I could prove that my personal logic is consistent, either - I'm nearly sure that it isn't -  I said that it doesn't matter whether or not it's consistent as long as I'm pleased with it. And I'm pretty sure I made it clear from the start that I likely don't know what I'm talking about in this case. Repeating it just makes me feel stupid.

@DélioPT:

The one who tortured was Satan.

With the approval of god, who wanted to prove a point at the expense of the wellbeing of innocent human beings.

Me neither, since my feelings are for real things. Aren`t yours?

Don't know about you, but fictive stories get an emotional response out of me all the time.

The rest of your post isn't worth taking notice of.

War is peace

Ignorance is strength

Freedom is slavery

But, for the sake of balance here, being someone's slave doesn't mean you worship them.  It does mean you are entrapped to them, and in a place where you get coerced to do their will.

For someone with such a derpy avatar, it's nice to see someone else using logic and science in this thread.  

"With the approval of god, who wanted to prove a point at the expense of the wellbeing of innocent human beings."
With the first part i agree, the rest just isn`t true. The only point shown is that if people hold on to their faith good things will come, more than you even asked for.