Prove that God exists

[DélioPT]

sapphi_snake said:

DélioPT said:

But it is a question of free will (control or lack of it). Would you prefer God forcing you to love Him? God wants people on His side for the sake of loving Him, nothing else.
And God does care. God doesn`t care yet Jesus died so we could live with God forever... there`s a contradiction there. It`s not a question of replacing a china set but giving what would fulfill Job.
You are the one who sees people as things in this story.

The Book oj Job has nothing to do with free will. Job doesn't suffer the consequences of his own actions, what happens to him is beyond his control, and is the result of the devil's actions, which god encourages in order to spite the devil and further inflate his own ego. Protecting Job, who is his fateful servant, from soemthing beyond his control which he will not be able to stop (the calamities caused by the devil) wouldn't be taking away his free will, but showing gratitude and respect, and LOVE, something which God obviously does not have for Job, whom he sees as a mere puppet for his amusement.

'giving what would fulfill Job' - In other words replacing his old family with a new one. Do you really think that humans are so replaceable? If your parents were killed, could you just go hire some new people to take on their role, and everything would be like it was?

The reason why I'm seeing people as things in this story is because that's how they're presented, and that's how God views them and treats them in this story, something which is balantly obvious to all who wish to see. You are appearently too blinded by your worshipping to see it though.

Free will is also about making choices. Which Job did. He chose to stay with God. You see stoping bad things to happen as the only way of protecting someone. Faith also acts as protection.
Why should God and Job fear obstacles? Isn`t love also about letting others choose what they want?
The question is not so much about if Job can stop the devil or not, but about letting him choose and fully act as a free person. In the end, if Job had lost his faith he would have given up and despite all his love for god made him hang on and preservere.
If God didn`t love Job, why reward - even in double?
The book of Job is to teach that despite what the devil throws at you if you hang on (choose) to your faith you will be rewarded in one way or another.
"god encourages in order to spite the devil and further inflate his own ego."
your presonnal interpretation.

So if God doesn`t give anything is bad, but if He does give He`s still bad? What would make Job happy? Probably God knew what it was and gave it to him - and more as reward, like when people are given heaven for their faith.
Nothing points to people being as valuable as things to be replaced lke things. Not here, not anywhere.

Or maybe you are just reading more than it`s there because of your hatred for God?