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PS3 fans #1 selling GENRE are First Person Shooters.. they collectively outsell any other genre on PS3 ( just as they do on Xbox 360 )... the #1 game on PS3 is COD Black Ops....It sold 10.5 million copies - which means over 20% of the PS3's 50 million console USERBASE owns black ops! .. PS3 #2 game is.. COD MW2.. it sold 9.25 million which means nearly 20% of PS3 fans own COD MW2.... #3 best selling game is Grand Theft Auto 4... it sold 8.23 MILLION...

...Yet even with these figures clearly showing the facts some PS3 fans are going to try and 'sell' us the ridiculous notion that PS3 fans dont like First Person Shooters ( or they like them more on the Xbox 360 - when the 360 just sells more games in general ) - The most ignored fact: "The TOP THREE BEST SELLING GAMES 'OF ALL TIME' ON PS3 ARE First Person Shooters" when all these talks come up about the 360 being dominated by shooters..

PS3 #5 best selling game COD MW1..

OTHER BEST SELLING First ( and THIRD ) person shooters on the PS3 charts: Uncharted 2 ( Uncharted 3 coming out in 2 months ), Killzone 3, Battlefield Bad Company, Borderlands, Bioshock, Resistance Fall of Man 1 & 2, Dead Space 2.. Mass Effect 2.. ( and Im sure the's a few I've left out ).. Yes 'some' of the games above (ie, Mass Effect) are labeled something else like RPG, but TECHNICALLY they are 3rd Person shooters as well, which is only different then a FPS by the fact you can see your character.. otherwise the campaign story in Mass Effect is mostly shooting.. same as Gears.. Mass Effect can get away with being called a RPG - even though the game is 90% 3rd person shooting on foot or in a vehicle - it has more in game options then a 'Gears of War' that let you role play.. Many FPS and 3rd Person Shooters have side quest.. In Halo it involves mostly finding hidden objects - thus having to explore territory in the ampaign in which typically you would not look .. Actually I feel many FPS's could be labeled role playing games .. Role playing is defined as 'assuming or playing the role of a character in game' .. Most FPS Campaigns involvealot of role playing - some to more or lesser of a degree.. Uncharted 2 is being marketed as a "Action Adventure/ 3rd Person Shooter"  - this is no different to me then Red Dead Redemption - which we all know its a 3rd person shooter, but its also a role playing, adventure game..

Any way you look at it- ...PERCENTAGE-WISE of games bought to userbase of consoles owned...Or simply going by the massive game sales of FPS's on PS3's games sales chart... Shooters are among the top most played and bought GENRE's on PS3...

PS3's best selling games are in fact not any different then the Xbox 360 but some fans actually beleive this is not the case... The only thing 'a-miss" is PS3's best selling FPS games are all multi-platform titles.. this should make a clear statement to executives at Sony that they have either: a) not recognized their console is being 'dominated' by people who love FIRST PERSON SHOOTERS (COD also the #1 game played on PSN) or b) Sony exclusive FPS's ( like Resistance Fall of Man) just dont 'yet' have quite the right formula for online play.. ( ie, I read a fan of resistance had said the online play was not as fun as a COD) - and trust me , while the campaigns are fun - its the online play that sells these games mostly for replay value ! Kids like competing against other kids online..

I beleive most of the "360 sells mostly FPS" talk stems from the fact these same FPS games on xbox 360 outsell the same FPS games on PS3... yet the same PS3 fans who say this 'somehow overlook' the fact thatPS3 is a console whose games sales are dominated by  First Person Shooters.. and just because Sony doesnt have it own winning FPS exclusive that sell like a COD or HALO you hear the focus go to diversity theories..




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I don't think it's entirely fair to compare games that are on both systems...especially since Shooters are the 'in' thing right now, and everyone is buying them regardless of console. No, the only way to really differentiate the systems is to go for the exclusives.

Unless you wanna compare what games sell more on each system, in which case most games sell more on 360, but the Shooters win by a much wider margin than games like Assassin's Creed.



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I'd say definitely. Though I do think how much more diverse is blown out of proportion sometimes. I mean just looking at the exclusives ps3 has way more genres on the map then 360 but shooters and sports games are always what sells the most regardless of system and that just saddens me. That said I think a game like Heavy Rain would flop on 360 because of it's demographic.



Runa216 said:
Don't get me wrong, some games are EASY to classify...Call of Duty is a First Person Shooter. MAdden is a sports game. Gran Turismo is a racing game. Nobody's denying that, but the reason I'm so insistent that PS3 users are more versatile in their gaming is because...well...I don't think 'action/adventure' should be a genre. Frankly, it encompasses entirely too many different gameplay styles to really justify it. Generally speaking "action/adventure" games tend to be like Ratchet and Clank or Uncharted or Metal Gear Solid or Grand Theft Auto, they have so much variety in them that it's hard to say those four have much in common, aside from the fact that you shoot bad guys in all of them (well, and good guys in Grand Theft Auto.)

I just think "Action/Adventure" is entirely too broad a genre to be accurately comparing to something as concise as other genres. Hell, I'd ALMOST argue that "Shooter" is too broad a genre in and of itself, since most modern games have shooting elements in them. Space Invaders was a shooter. Contra was a shooter. PixelJunk Shooter was a friggin shooter.

Yes that's true. I mean Halo, Call of Duty, and Left 4 Dead are all very different games, but when you learn how to play one of them, you know how to play them all. You can't exactly pick up God of War one day, and Assassin's Creed the next and Ratchet and Chank the third day and expect your skills to translate so easily.

I just consider Uncharted a shooter like Gears because most of the game, is about shooting. Yes there is a deeper story, but the platforming aspect isn't as big as some people make it out to be. You only really climb to get to the next shooting area, and most climbing areas (like the train level) heavily involve shooting. I don't see much of a difference from Uncharted 3 and Lost Planet 1 (a game everyone should consider a shooter). Uncharted is obviously better, especially campaign, but multiplayer they feel about the same (minus mechs).

MGS is similar to Splinter Cell. Stealth game first, shooter second.



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Runa216 said:
I don't think it's entirely fair to compare games that are on both systems...especially since Shooters are the 'in' thing right now, and everyone is buying them regardless of console. No, the only way to really differentiate the systems is to go for the exclusives.

Unless you wanna compare what games sell more on each system, in which case most games sell more on 360, but the Shooters win by a much wider margin than games like Assassin's Creed.

That't not really fair. I agree with what you are getting at, shooters outsell AA games by a larger margin on 360 then PS3 (pie charts!), but if CoD is popular on the PS3, then the PS3 is still a very FPS favoring system. Just because Sony doesn't make any first party shooters that sell well doesn't mean that shooters aren't popular on PS3.

I bet if Halo came out on PS3, it would at least sell 5 million units, and if GT came on 360 it would sell about just as well.

You have to look at the whole package because 1st party and 3rd party exclusives only show us what those developers are good at making.

I mean Dance games a much more popular on Wii then 360/PS3, and Just Dance is going multi-plat. Does that make Wii any less of a dance favoring console?



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Michael-5 said:
Runa216 said:
Don't get me wrong, some games are EASY to classify...Call of Duty is a First Person Shooter. MAdden is a sports game. Gran Turismo is a racing game. Nobody's denying that, but the reason I'm so insistent that PS3 users are more versatile in their gaming is because...well...I don't think 'action/adventure' should be a genre. Frankly, it encompasses entirely too many different gameplay styles to really justify it. Generally speaking "action/adventure" games tend to be like Ratchet and Clank or Uncharted or Metal Gear Solid or Grand Theft Auto, they have so much variety in them that it's hard to say those four have much in common, aside from the fact that you shoot bad guys in all of them (well, and good guys in Grand Theft Auto.)

I just think "Action/Adventure" is entirely too broad a genre to be accurately comparing to something as concise as other genres. Hell, I'd ALMOST argue that "Shooter" is too broad a genre in and of itself, since most modern games have shooting elements in them. Space Invaders was a shooter. Contra was a shooter. PixelJunk Shooter was a friggin shooter.

Yes that's true. I mean Halo, Call of Duty, and Left 4 Dead are all very different games, but when you learn how to play one of them, you know how to play them all. You can't exactly pick up God of War one day, and Assassin's Creed the next and Ratchet and Chank the third day and expect your skills to translate so easily.

I just consider Uncharted a shooter like Gears because most of the game, is about shooting. Yes there is a deeper story, but the platforming aspect isn't as big as some people make it out to be. You only really climb to get to the next shooting area, and most climbing areas (like the train level) heavily involve shooting. I don't see much of a difference from Uncharted 3 and Lost Planet 1 (a game everyone should consider a shooter). Uncharted is obviously better, especially campaign, but multiplayer they feel about the same (minus mechs).

MGS is similar to Splinter Cell. Stealth game first, shooter second.



That is pretty bad logic, one could just as easily say you just shoot your way to the next climbing area. Also the platforming plays a role in the stealth and even sometimes in the shooting so saying the platforming isn't a big part of Uncharted is just plain ignorant, it contributes alot to the game.

d21lewis said:

The bottom line:  If 360 fans are only fans of shooters and PS3 fans are so diverse in their tastes, I want to see some proof.  If not, can people PLEASE stop using the "PS3 fans like a bigger variety of games" excuse for why game A didn't do well or why game B is such a success?


There goes some contra-proof: http://www.trueachievements.com/mygames.aspx?gamerid=79350

I don't even like FPS. Only play them when there's a nice co-op.



Ostro, you're a man after my own heart! My 360 collection is huge (closing in on 150 games if you include arcade titles). I only own a handful of FPS's and I only own some of them because other people I know were buying them.



Champion_of_Hope said:
Michael-5 said:

Yes that's true. I mean Halo, Call of Duty, and Left 4 Dead are all very different games, but when you learn how to play one of them, you know how to play them all. You can't exactly pick up God of War one day, and Assassin's Creed the next and Ratchet and Chank the third day and expect your skills to translate so easily.

I just consider Uncharted a shooter like Gears because most of the game, is about shooting. Yes there is a deeper story, but the platforming aspect isn't as big as some people make it out to be. You only really climb to get to the next shooting area, and most climbing areas (like the train level) heavily involve shooting. I don't see much of a difference from Uncharted 3 and Lost Planet 1 (a game everyone should consider a shooter). Uncharted is obviously better, especially campaign, but multiplayer they feel about the same (minus mechs).

MGS is similar to Splinter Cell. Stealth game first, shooter second.



That is pretty bad logic, one could just as easily say you just shoot your way to the next climbing area. Also the platforming plays a role in the stealth and even sometimes in the shooting so saying the platforming isn't a big part of Uncharted is just plain ignorant, it contributes alot to the game.

But the majority of the game involves shooting, so shooting is the primary genre, you can't argue that platforming is the primary part of the game when platforming probably compromises at most 25% of the game, and that includes platforming/shooter sections.

Platforming is a big part of the game, just not enought to remove it from the shooter genre. I mean take Lost Planet for example. This game is clearly a shooter, but there are grappling hook sections. However the bulk of the game, to boss fights, all the challenging bits, they are all shooting sections. You rarely die in a climbing section (in both LP and UC), and it's usually because of a glitch or silly error. Uncharted is no different, you don't jump around the boss of the game an have him kill himself, you shoot blue bombs until he dies. Same with the Yeti thing, and well most of the game.

If Uncharted 2 was just the ice level, then I would consider it a platformer, but the bulk of the game involves shooting. Take away shooting, and Uncharted is at the very most a 2 hour game, take away the platforming, and you still have a good 8 hours. I mean would you say Killzone is a mech game just because in 10% of the game you ride mechs? Would you label MGS or Splinter Cells as primarily shooters (before stealth) just because in some sections killing people makes the game easier? Yould you label Lost Planet as a mech shooter? It has about as many mech sections as platforming sections in UC. No. I don't understand why Uncharted is exempt when Lost Planet, and all these other examples aren't.



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d21lewis said:
Ostro, you're a man after my own heart! My 360 collection is huge (closing in on 150 games if you include arcade titles). I only own a handful of FPS's and I only own some of them because other people I know were buying them.

Most of my 360 achievements are for RPG's. I have a good amount of pe**s points in shooters (Gears, Halo, and some CoD), but it's mainly because they are easy to get. 1 short 8 hour playthrough and you usually get 600 GP, where a 40 hour RPG will get you about the same.

e.g. My to get list for 360 in 2011 is Dead Space 2 (Bought off a friend for $20 in January), Crysis 2, Portal 2, Catherine, Deus Ex, Gears 3, Forza 4, Halo CEA, DBZ: UT, Fallout: NV GOTY Ed, and maybe Batman.

Thats 4/10 shooters, and I only got 1 cause it was cheap.



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