osamanobama said: Seece said: God get over yourself, you're wrong. Sony don't measure it like that, if they sell 1 mill in UK and 800k in France, they're stronger in the UK COMMON SENSE. what is with your arogance? get off you high horse and get over yourself

You're a fine one to talk. Ethomaz quite often persists with incorrect gibberish, I'm not gonan stop correcting it when I see it.

M.U.G.E.N said: I think a few people are mixing up concept of bigger/smaller markets with strongest/weakest markets in this thread..ethomaz is right

Well put, my friend.

Seece said: osamanobama said: Seece said: God get over yourself, you're wrong. Sony don't measure it like that, if they sell 1 mill in UK and 800k in France, they're stronger in the UK COMMON SENSE. what is with your arogance? get off you high horse and get over yourself You're a fine one to talk. Ethomaz quite often persists with incorrect gibberish, I'm not gonan stop correcting it when I see it.

thanks man, you too kind.

 

you mind telling me where ethomaz was wrong.

do you to feel putting more focus on markets where your competetors are stronger will lead to bankruptcy like kowen does.

Jay520 said: M.U.G.E.N said: I think a few people are mixing up concept of bigger/smaller markets with strongest/weakest markets in this thread..ethomaz is right Well put, my friend.

He isn't though, he's saying UK is the PS3's weakest region in Europe, which is just 100% wrong. Just because it's 3rd place, it doesn't really mean anything, least of all being weak. You don't judge these things on chart placings.

Seece said: Jay520 said: M.U.G.E.N said: I think a few people are mixing up concept of bigger/smaller markets with strongest/weakest markets in this thread..ethomaz is right Well put, my friend. He isn't though, he's saying UK is the PS3's weakest region in Europe, which is just 100% wrong. Just because it's 3rd place, it doesn't really mean anything, least of all being weak. You don't judge these things on chart placings.

The word 'weak' is context-based. If someone just uses the word 'weak' with no clear objects being compared, then you can't draw any conclusions from such a statement. When ethomaz used 'weak', he didn't specify if he was comparing the PS3 UK numbers to other countries or to other consoles. He should have specified. That could have avoided this unnecessary argument.

In terms of raw numbers, the PS3 is stronger in the UK. However, Sony also needs to focus more on the UK because that's where they have the 'weakest' influence on the population. It's where they're lacking the most consumers.

Take japan and USA for example. The PS3 may sell more units there in USA, but it also has the weaker influence on the population. Sony needs to increase their brand power in USA because that's where Sony is missing out on the most costumers.

I'm pretty sure people have been saying for years that the PS3 is weak in USA & UK. I honselty don't see why there's problem now. It seems to me that people are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Jay520 said: Seece said: Jay520 said: M.U.G.E.N said: I think a few people are mixing up concept of bigger/smaller markets with strongest/weakest markets in this thread..ethomaz is right Well put, my friend. He isn't though, he's saying UK is the PS3's weakest region in Europe, which is just 100% wrong. Just because it's 3rd place, it doesn't really mean anything, least of all being weak. You don't judge these things on chart placings. The word 'weak' is context-based. In terms of raw numbers, the PS3 is stronger in the UK. However, Sony also needs to focus more on the UK because that's where they have the 'weakest' influence on the population. It's where they're lacking the most consumers. Again wrong, France has a bigger population than the UK yet more people in the UK are buying PS3's than France, this tells me they're lacking in France not the UK. Take japan and USA for example. The PS3 may sell more units there in USA, but it also has the weaker influence on the population. Sony needs to increase their brand power in USA because that's where Sony is missing out on the most costumers. I'm pretty sure people have been saying for years that the PS3 is weak in USA & UK. I honselty don't see why there's problem now. It seems to me that people are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

When you realise placings mean diddlysquat you'll understand that sheer units are the only measure that matter.

Hyruken said: Have to say i do laugh when i read people saying stuff like "Weakest region" when talking about the UK PS3 numbers. Because it is like saying a country with 5 people who all buy a ps3 = best region! Which is tarded.... That isn't how the real world works. Some people say France is one of the best regions for PS3. It has a population of 65m. UK has a population of 63m. But yet the UK has sold 4m and in France it has sold 3m. if you look at it in a % terms in the UK 6.3% of the population own a PS3. In France 4.6% own a PS3. You can do the same for all the other countries. Japan = 128m population. 6.8m PS3's sold = 5.3% of the population own a ps3. US = 312m population. 17m PS3's sold = 5.4% of the population own a PS3. Germany = 82m population. 2.7m PS3's sold. = 3.2% of population own a PS3. Italy = 62m population. 2.3m PS3's sold = 3.7% of population own a PS3 etc etc etc In terms of the percentage of population that own a PS3 UK is the highest in the world based on the tracked nations. Saying it is a "weak region" is pretty laughable when you look at it like that.

I really think the term "weak" is quite relative depending of how you see the big picture.

If you compare the PS3 sales to other console sales in UK, then for the PS3 UK is the weakest territory, because the "target population" (HARDCORE GAMERS, and no Ipad owners) is way bigger than units PS3 sells; and also because the other consoles sell more.  But if you just compare the density of consoles/per habitant in each region then the result is different.

In other words no one is wrong, you just need to speak in the same "criteria" to make sense with each other. XD

Another example, just to make it clear it depends of how you see it. If your competitor sells 10M and you only sell 2M (even though you are the best in another region selling 1M); it would mean that you are doing really bad compared to what you can potentially achieve in that region.   So in other words it would be your weakest region, because basically the people Hate you, and love the other XD.

So again, it just depends on doing an "intrapersonal" or "interpersonal" comparison.    Is really simple :D

Seece said: Jay520 said: Seece said: Jay520 said: M.U.G.E.N said: I think a few people are mixing up concept of bigger/smaller markets with strongest/weakest markets in this thread..ethomaz is right Well put, my friend. He isn't though, he's saying UK is the PS3's weakest region in Europe, which is just 100% wrong. Just because it's 3rd place, it doesn't really mean anything, least of all being weak. You don't judge these things on chart placings. The word 'weak' is context-based. In terms of raw numbers, the PS3 is stronger in the UK. However, Sony also needs to focus more on the UK because that's where they have the 'weakest' influence on the population. It's where they're lacking the most consumers. Again wrong, France has a bigger population than the UK yet more people in the UK are buying PS3's than France, this tells me they're lacking in France not the UK. Take japan and USA for example. The PS3 may sell more units there in USA, but it also has the weaker influence on the population. Sony needs to increase their brand power in USA because that's where Sony is missing out on the most costumers. I'm pretty sure people have been saying for years that the PS3 is weak in USA & UK. I honselty don't see why there's problem now. It seems to me that people are just arguing for the sake of arguing. When you realise placings mean diddlysquat you'll understand that sheer units are the only measure that matter.

The word 'weak' is a context-based word. When ethomaz used the word 'weak', he didn't specify what he was comparing, he left it up to us to find out. there were two different scenaries he could have meant:

1. The PS3 has the weakest install base compared to other consoles in the UK.
2. The PS3 has the weakest install base in the UK compared to other countries.

Scenario 1 is true. Scenario 2 is false. If he was using scenario 2, then he would be wrong. However, he was using scenario 1. Sure, placings may be useless, it may be meaningless, it may even be 'diddlesquat', but that doesn't make his statement any less true. does it?

He should have specified what he was referring to, but English isn't his first language, so I personally would give the guy a brake.

Solid-Stark said: Jay520 said: You guys know what ethomaz is trying to say. Stop trying to give him a hard time. If you use the word 'weak' in context, then you would discover that ethomaz is correct. The PS brand could see the most improvement in the UK. Sure, the PS3 sells the most units there, but that doesn't change the fact that the PS brand in that country is a lot lower than it could be. The PS brand is weak there and Sony needs to attack that market if they want a higher overall install base. I'm sure Sony wants to have a large install base world wide. In order to do that, they need to attack the markets where they are weak, or the markets where they are missing out on the most potential customers (Us, Uk, etc.) Couldn't have said it better myself. But you know users like kowen.

I also agree,

so frustrating to read that back and forth. I think Kowen just gets bored and screws with people to provide conflict for the sake of conflict.