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Icyedge said:
kowenicki said:
 


I didnt say thats what you do...

But it isnt a meaningless discussion on a site and forum centered on sales.

Facts are hard to dispute so I undertsand they cause consternation, but a healthy debate and good old argument is perfectly fine in my book. 

I dont understand why it has to become personal.

For the record... and I have said this often... I have no issue with sony hardware (its just hardware) and no issue with Sony (thought I think they have really fucked themselves this gen from a business perspective), I have probvably bought more sony hardware in my lifetime than the majorioty here. 

I do have a real problem with people who think Sony (or Nintendo) are some kind of holier than thou corporation that exist solely for the pleasure of their "fans".  It especially bugs me when that is based on some misplaced nonsense about Japanese ethics.  They are businesses and are no different to MS, Apple or anyone else.


Japanese corporation (or german, swiss ect) arent holier then thou but their heads up does behave differently then american corporation. This gen, its even because of their ideals Sony got so much trouble. Dont misread me, they want money, they need money. But they design their products before thinking of money, which is different from the process of most american companies. Product design is just an example out of many. As example, there was a recent news saying Nintendo heads up would cut their salary (not bonus, their salary) because of the drop of Nintendo market value, you dont see that in america. Though, this doesnt justify all fanboy talk out there ; ), american companies are not the devil lol, just different mentality.

Actually you do.   Americans, Japanese, Brazilians, etc are not all nationally programmed replicants (yes, I just watched Blade Runner).

kowen's point is dead on:  this is all about money.  The only reason these businesses exist is to make money.  If they don't, then they can no longer do anything because everything that they do cost (or makes) money.  The sooner people divorce themselves from thinking these companies are something more benevolent the sooner we can all discuss matters in a more balanced (and less emotional) way.



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ethomaz said:
kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:
Great... the weakest PS3 territory in Europe.


strongest

highest sales.

Sorry... all others consoles sells better than PS3 in UK... so weakest.

PS3 is stronger in Japan even it selling less numbers than US.

PS3 isn't stronger in UK... face it dude.

Same for the US... the weakest PS3 territory together with UK.

ethomaz your logic is dreadfully terrible and abonimable.

nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever.

you just keep repeating the same flawed logic in different ways.

kowenicki and seece broke it down and simplified the UK sales situation beautifully yet you were still unable or unwilling to digest and rationalize the information. 

The only thing more embarrassing than your woefully misinformed opinion is the fact that others on here are agreeing with your incoherent mantras.



Max King of the Wild said:
logic > common sense


Yes i agree

Unfortunatley for the sake of the truth, most of what ethomaz has said in this thread is devoid of both logic and common sense



Darth Tigris said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:
osamanobama said:
Seece said:

God get over yourself, you're wrong. Sony don't measure it like that, if they sell 1 mill in UK and 800k in France, they're stronger in the UK


COMMON SENSE.

what is with your arogance? get off you high horse and get over yourself

You're a fine one to talk. Ethomaz quite often persists with incorrect gibberish, I'm not gonan stop correcting it when I see it.

thanks man, you too kind.

 

you mind telling me where ethomaz was wrong.

do you to feel putting more focus on markets where your competetors are stronger will lead to bankruptcy like kowen does.


I've repeatedly heard that MS's efforts in Japan are a waste for that very reason.

I swear, the more this discussion goes on the hypocrisy gets unveiled ...


huh.... your suggesting Sony give up on the US and UK?

ps: i have never said that microsoft should give up on japan, nor have i said that the people claiming the US and UK are strong regions for Sony are wrong. its all relative. also if you want to talk about hypocrasy, look no further than people who in the past have constantly said that the US for Sony is weak.

pps: do you really think focusing on regions like the UK is a bad business strategy for Sony? some reason to me, it doesnt seem as if it would drive a companyy bankrupt



PizzaFaceGamer said:
Max King of the Wild said:
logic > common sense


Yes i agree

Unfortunatley for the sake of the truth, most of what ethomaz has said in this thread is devoid of both logic and common sense

only thing is, neither you nor anyone else would have thought that (especially you), had it not been for kowen starting the meaningless argument.

its just antics over nothing, people who claim it is a weak territory and people who claim it is a strong teritory are all correct in a sense. perspective.

and ethomaz point was completely right



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The fact is the UK is Europe's biggest video game market so to be third there is worse than winning in other parts of Europe , It is similar to NA vs the rest of the world yes the rest of the world is important as far as total hardware numbers go but NA is more important as far as game sales go and it's influence.



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PizzaFaceGamer said:

ethomaz your logic is dreadfully terrible and abonimable.

nothing you said makes any sense whatsoever.

you just keep repeating the same flawed logic in different ways.

kowenicki and seece broke it down and simplified the UK sales situation beautifully yet you were still unable or unwilling to digest and rationalize the information.

The only thing more embarrassing than your woefully misinformed opinion is the fact that others on here are agreeing with your incoherent mantras.

Think what you want from me... but that does not change the fact that Sony needs to improve PS3 sales in US and UK.



A bunch of people in this thread seem to think that its only the absolute sales numbers that matter. Yet Kowenicki, and several other people, seem to think that MS should pull out of Japan and stop wasting money there. Does that mean they should pull out of every other country that they've sold less than 1.5 million in (pretty much every continental EU market except Germany and France)?



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osamanobama said:
Darth Tigris said:
osamanobama said:

thanks man, you too kind.

 

you mind telling me where ethomaz was wrong.

do you to feel putting more focus on markets where your competetors are stronger will lead to bankruptcy like kowen does.


I've repeatedly heard that MS's efforts in Japan are a waste for that very reason.

I swear, the more this discussion goes on the hypocrisy gets unveiled ...


huh.... your suggesting Sony give up on the US and UK?

ps: i have never said that microsoft should give up on japan, nor have i said that the people claiming the US and UK are strong regions for Sony are wrong. its all relative. also if you want to talk about hypocrasy, look no further than people who in the past have constantly said that the US for Sony is weak.

pps: do you really think focusing on regions like the UK is a bad business strategy for Sony? some reason to me, it doesnt seem as if it would drive a companyy bankrupt

I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.  I just notice a lot of arguments and viewpoints shifting in this thread simply because of the regions being discussed.  Just an overall lack of consistency that is a bit annoying.

As one of my earlier posts in this thread admitted, my eyes were actually opened a bit because I had no idea that the UK was the PS3's top selling region in Europe even though it doesn't have the highest population.  As for whether Sony should focus on regions that have the higher number of non-gamers or those that have proven to have a strong gamer population already is another discussion to which I really don't think there is a 'right' answer to.

OT: For the record, I have seen kowenicki and Seece strongly criticize Microsoft this gen.  And not in that fake "MS-won't-drop-the-360-to-$99-so-they-don't-want-to-win" sort of way.  If they seem to run to the defense of the 360, I'd imagine it is residual damage from the years of negative fanboyism (and more recently stealth trolling) toward the 360 that is part of the unfortunate history of this community.  It shouldn't surprise or offend.  It's like being surprised that someone that has been attacked by a pack of dogs to now jump whenever they hear a dog growl or bark.  The solution?  Just be better.  The community can only be better or worse from our individual conduct.  Check the sig. 



Hey, I just found out that I'm a 360 fan.

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