I will not tell you what games Vita has, as I don't know it concretely yet. I will only tell you that what the 3DS will have is hardly enough to sell it versus a far superior device at the same price. I never said anything about Vita games, but as it looks with Sony doing everything right with Vita and Nintendo everything wrong with 3DS, I do expect the Vita to dazzle.

The price was too high, yes. When Nintendo saw Sony's head on and smart strategy with the Vita pricing, they decided to lower it so they could compete. The consumer is not a retard, and at that price, the 3DS would've gotten blitzed. They wouldn't budge had the Vita been $300, $350, or $400. But when they say saw that $250, they entered panic mode with an enormous price cut, only 5(?) months post release.

If that is not a botched release and a desperate effort to grab market by the time Vita hits, I have no idea what that is.

The 3DS library. It didn't have a five star exclusive but neither did the DS. It had Super Mario 64. Neither did the PSP. It had.....I don't know. The PS3 didn't have a killer exclusive until 2008, in my opinion. The PS2, I owned for 8 months with only NBA Street and Red Faction (and I wasn't a fan of FPS's or sports games) to comfort me (thank God for my Dreamcast!).

Think back. How many consoles had system sellers at launch? How many had these amazing libraries? The Nes? The Snes, maybe (Mario World, Pilot Wings, and F-Zero)? Certainly not the Wii, PS1, Xbox, etc. The only totally balanced library I can think of is the Dreamcast.

A good rule of thumb for any console is to wait 6 months to a year before buying it. I didn't get a 360 until 2007, a Wii until early 2008, and a PS3 until mid 2008. I didn't get the PSP until 2009 (and I felt it was miles ahead of the DS). I got a DS at launch and I bought some shitty games (Sprung, Feel the Magic) as a result. I don't know why we're condemning the 3DS so soon. It's a great piece of hardware and it's given me hours of entertainment. I've played Zelda and Streetfighter over 20 hours, each.

For all of the PSV supporters who are so quick to condemn the 3DS, what have you got? The system hasn't released. It hasn't sold a single unit. It hasn't released a single game. You're comparing something that hasn't released and made a lot of promises to something that is here and now. It's like comparing your current girlfriend to the girl your friend is going to hook you up with next week at the club. Your imagination is filling in a lot of the gaps. Maybe the PSV WILL blow the 3DS away but until we have the Vita in our hands (and believe me, I'm going to buy one), we are to quick to pass judgement.

I believe that next year at this time, a lot of people--maybe even me--will be eating a lot of crow. -As for the topic, what does the 3DS price cut mean for the PSV? It means that the PSV is going have to be that much better and offer that much more bang for the buck because the 3DS is now a lot cheaper and packs a lot of power. It's capable of a satisfying console experience as well as a portable gaming experience.

dude I know you like the 3ds and all but what are you smoking? 'psv' fans condemning 3ds? really? it's the other way around and nothing has changed since last years E3. arrogance of ninty fans (many) are just laughabale. they deny psv can be good competition and every chance they get they scream psv is doomed or doa. even when ninty is at rock bottom and getting hammered on all sides, for whatever reason, now psv is done for!? I don't believe psv will outsell 3ds LT either and doubt many do ( I do expect it to be much much much closer) but you are dead wrong on the condemn part. the ones who should worry 'at this point' is 3ds not psv. this is not about who will outsell what over the holidays, (I mean really, 100 price cut and few of your biggest sellers with it with many deals on online retailers like buy 1 and get one free on games already) we have a whole gen ahead of us. I see many naive comments on this whole 3ds vs vita debacle on this forum tbh. I usually just ignore it because people just won't even accept the possibilities. you are addressing the wrong crowd there.

I would get into the line up argument too (we should have that for sure down the road :) I don't mind having a good discussion with you) but I would like to wait until GC and TGS are over to have a better idea of it

People still drinking Nintendo's Kool-Aid I see. Already claiming Sony has lost before the system is even out yet. You folks already claimed that once. Look how far Nintendo has fallen already. Round 2 - FIGHT!

@M.U.G.E.N., maybe I'm just looking in all of the wrong places. I think the PSV is going to be a great piece of hardware. I went from not wanting a PSP at launch to buying one three years after its release. The PSP got a lot of hate while the DS got a lot of love. For me, the PSP was where it was at. I hadn't bought a DS game for myself since early 2009--maybe even earlier. Out of the six DS consoles I own (I know it looks bad but I'm not biased! I mean it!!) the only person who was playing games on them was my kid. In the meantime, I got a PSP and purchased over twenty downloadable games and seven UMD games. Even my kid fell in love with the PSP and got the Hannah Montanna pink PSP.

That whole paragraph is just to illustrate that, while the DS was doing well in sales, none of that mattered to me. I just go where the games I like to play are at. I don't just like the 3DS. I fucking have sex with it! I'm happy with the device just like I hope to be happy with my PSV when I get one. *takes puff from Cuban cigar*. Like I said, maybe I'm just looking at the wrong posts or I'm more accepting of PSV bashing or something. I keep coming across these anti 3DS posts from people that don't own the console and I have to defend it. When I get a PSV, I'll defend it if I see something I don't agree with, too. Comments about the 3DS battery, poor graphics, poor 3D, or poor library attract me like a shark to blood.

Looking forward to the PSV launch and having debates based on facts instead of speculation, too!

I'm just wondering which Nintendo system you are referring to? Or which generation?  Nintendo fans haven't been able to claim dominance in anything except hand helds.  Are you talking about DS vs PSP?  Even though the DS slaughtered the PSP, I still believe the PSP did fairly well when compared to any other hand held that tried to take on Nintendo.  From what I remember from the previous generations was that Sony was going to slaughter Nintendo no matter what they did (I even remember Sony fans saying PSP was going to kill the DS).  I don't remember the other way around.  Hell, even when the Wii was still the Revolution it seemed like only a few of the Nintendo fans thought it had any chance.  Unless you want to go all the way back to the N64/PS1 generation.  That is the only time Nintendo fans were still confident that their home console system could be sales  leader.

I am also a psp/ds owner but while I enjoy some games on the ds (layton = love) psp is where I had some of my best gaming experiences this gen. and trust me psv is getting bashed all the darn time..since last years 3ds rumors! and even in this moment of ninty hitting rock bottom and all...psv is apparently doomed. people laughed at me for saying ninty 'can' mess up as any other, so this is a good reality check for them but alas it seems it just went right over manys heads and we are back to psv is doomzed mode. both devices will do fine but underestimating the competition is rather silly

oh and for sure, with gc and tgs we will know what titles we can look forward to in psv..and btw check out the official psv thread too ;) got lots of vids and info, some you might have not seen yet

So we're back to "Vita dead on arrival, 3DS is the holy grail of portable gaming" again? Cool.

My honest opinion? The 3DS is gonna suffer for a year or two. Or at least until Nintendo can put software out there that actually differentiates it from the rest. Better graphics aren't going to be enough. It's going to simply be seen as another DS upgrade that's more expensive because of the 3D feature.

The Vita will launch at the same price as the original PSP but with modern day features. Usage of the Touch Screen, motion sensors and Rear touch pad will not only immediately let everyone know that this is a new system (in addition to the name) but it also allows the Vita to receive the 1 or two dollar games people are already buying on smart phones. I say this because:

1) it's becoming increasingly clear that SONY's made this just as easy to develop for as any other handheld out there,
2) They're already looking into cheaper and smaller games with minis on the PSP and have said that pricing on PSV games will vary from really low to standard handheld console prices.
3) SONY seems to have no problem with publisher releasing free content at this point.
4) We're already seeing those forms of gameplay as possible on the system with Little Deviants.

PS Vita can offer modern day Phone portable styled games as well as console like experiences. There's been overwhelming developer and publisher acceptance for the system. Also, SONY themselves have admitted to under supporting the PSP after launch and said that development will be even between PSV and PS3 internally.

But if some people want to continue to assume that Nintendo always knows what they're doing while SONY will continue to be idiots and never try to improve their situation, more power to them.

I think what SONY has left to fix with the PSV is the pricing for EMEAA. It's just too high. Also, the lack of internal storage creates a barrier for those that are more interested in bite-sized games.

I voted it'll falter and Vita can capitalize. But I only see Sony succeeding if the Vita lineup has a mix of good-great games for both casual and hardcore gamers. So I hope that Uncharted game is a launch title.

It is interesting that, if you look at people who post on sites like this, they get all excited when it is "10 year old ports" or old IP being brought up again.  If a system lacks that, the complaints is that it lacks "hardcore" titles, or whatever.  People got all excited here about how it had everyone signed up, and the 3DS was getting 3rd party support.