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RolStoppable said:
padib said:

1) New models coming out.

2) Who cares

3) That goes hand-in-hand with what I said, otherwise it's irrelevant.

 

Wii U confidence, I'm talking about business confidence. They can trust that if they release a game on the Wii U, chances are it will sell. They can trust that the Wii U will sell in large numbers like its predecessor => large install base. 

And you said it yourself in another thread, it could sell 3rd party hardcore games, even the bad ones in million numbers. Now I'm quoting you bud, I'll try to find the post. Anyways, this article isn't limited to core games I hope you realize that.

Who cares? How about DS owners? Why should they buy a 3DS when the games they liked don't get sequels. My god, sequels are the single most important thing to bring your previous audience over to the new system. And you say "who cares". I think you were actually being serious about Metroid Prime Hunters being a stellar title.

You don't have to search that post, because I know what I said. The thing is that it doesn't matter what I think about those sales numbers when third parties choose to ignore them. They don't trust the Wii U. What's most likely going to happen is that the first batch of Wii U games will be mostly late ports whose sales numbers will be used to decide over future support. Just like the Wii, the Wii U will be put in a situation where Nintendo just can't win. And if for some unforeseen reason those late ports put up respectable sales numbers, then they will get ignored in the same way as Resident Evil 4: Wii Edition.

as much as i'd like to avoid doing this . i have to agree with Rol on this one.

man i fill sick



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padib said:

MARCUSDJACKSON said:

as much as i'd like to avoid doing this . i have to agree with Rol on this one.

man i fill sick

Yeah, I handed that one to him on a silver platter. :(

 wht was on that plate i still fill sick.

i can't completely agree with him though. i guse i'm more neutral on it then i thought.



padib said:

Given what I said, now what counter-arguments do you actually have, the ones you gave were bad, I showed you why. Give me good ones for a change.

Battery -> Bad excuse. Expect Remodel.
DS Successors -> Too early to tell, and some already released
All games feature 3D display -> For now. And it's only piggy-backing on the point I had brought up prior.


ok 1 question.

i may be alittle late asking(as i haven't read everything) why wouldn't those sequles matter? aren't Nintnedo IP's the main reason to own the 3DS?

i'm not sure if the sequles released are using the 3ds's feature set. that would be a major driver in selling the system though, so i can't say those are sequles that catter to the 3ds considering they don't use the 3DS selling point. now if they do ignore thi part



yay!
... this really starts to sound like a marketing campaign aimed at getting devs onboard...



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  Too much talking but at the end, we could expect two or three games maybe... I have my hopes in level5 and marvelous and thats it...

I just hope nintendo learned from the 3ds' launch... Dont trust third parties, just make your games, zelda, mario, DK, metroid, pikmin, star fox, fzero, eternal darkness, kirby, starfy, Fire emblem, TLS, xenoblade, earthbound, baten kaidos, sin & punishment, geist, Brain Age, ice Climber, wave Race, advance Wars,  animal crossing,  custom Robo, golden sun, kid icarus, nintendogs, punch-out, wario land, yoshi story, pokemon... Can anyone tell me again why nintendo needs third party games?...



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I guess the best case scenario for some user on this site is if the WiiU actuallly has a great third party support but ends up in a distant 2nd or lower in terms of sales in that generation. This will make Nintendo learn that its console's success are not dependent on third parties at all.

Another good scenario if WiiU has the same horrible ratio of 1 good third party game for every 1000 bad third party game as the Wii but ends up selling significantly more than Microsoft or Sony or even combined because of WiiU's abudant "evergreen" first party games.

If the WiiU does sell the most in its generation, it would be interesting to see which scenario would occur, if anyone I listed would occur.

I personally don't know if Nintendo needs third party or not to succeed or if Nintendo should pursue them, but I do understand why some users think that third parties and Nintendo are not exactly bffs.

Edit: Actually, Nintendo does not need third parties to succeed because the Wii is an example of that. I wonder if Nintendo should pursue third parties by doing the things third parties want them to do rather than doing the things they would want to do themselves to have a console sell even greater than their Wii console.



menx64 said:

  Too much talking but at the end, we could expect two or three games maybe... I have my hopes in level5 and marvelous and thats it...

I just hope nintendo learned from the 3ds' launch... Dont trust third parties, just make your games, zelda, mario, DK, metroid, pikmin, star fox, fzero, eternal darkness, kirby, starfy, Fire emblem, TLS, xenoblade, earthbound, baten kaidos, sin & punishment, geist, Brain Age, ice Climber, wave Race, advance Wars,  animal crossing,  custom Robo, golden sun, kid icarus, nintendogs, punch-out, wario land, yoshi story, pokemon... Can anyone tell me again why nintendo needs third party games?...


They don't - I hope they realise this for WiiU.



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padib said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
padib said:

Given what I said, now what counter-arguments do you actually have, the ones you gave were bad, I showed you why. Give me good ones for a change.

Battery -> Bad excuse. Expect Remodel.
DS Successors -> Too early to tell, and some already released
All games feature 3D display -> For now. And it's only piggy-backing on the point I had brought up prior.


ok 1 question.

i may be alittle late asking(as i haven't read everything) why wouldn't those sequles matter? aren't Nintnedo IP's the main reason to own the 3DS?

i'm not sure if the sequles released are using the 3ds's feature set. that would be a major driver in selling the system though, so i can't say those are sequles that catter to the 3ds considering they don't use the 3DS selling point. now if they do ignore thi part

He's going from a market perspective. I don't even know if he likes those games or not, but one thing I know is that for now he's arguing from a business point of view, not a fan point of view.

He's saying that if 3DS doesn't follow the pattern of DS offerings (i.e. 2D platformers, non-game games, brain games, art games, horse games, dog games, lottery games and everything you can turn into a game), then it won't be a success.

I don't disagree with him, I just disagreed with the fact that he required these to be sequels. Nobody needed those games when the DS game out, yet they bought the thing, I don't see it being any different this time. Then again, I wouldn't encourage it as it would be a tougher challenge then just continuing past series. However, I don't think that purely will work either, as people tend to get sick of the old and look for the new. (That's probably why Nintendogs + Cats didn't sell so well, at least not as well as its predecessor). A good mix will be good, and Nintendo will brand the 3DS as for both casual and core, they've already started doing so, they will continue that trend. Maybe they aren't doing it perfectly just yet, but they will succeed, I have no doubt. Same goes for the Wii U.

yea i couldn't see myself buy Nintendogs + Cats anyway lol.

agreed

since Rol is talking from a business perspective i'm no longer needed even though that's my feild of study. stay cool



RolStoppable said:

Who cares? How about DS owners? Why should they buy a 3DS when the games they liked don't get sequels. My god, sequels are the single most important thing to bring your previous audience over to the new system. And you say "who cares".

To lighten the dialog. You've got Picross E coming to the eShop for 6 euros soon. You'd be excited for that 
(Looks like Jupiter just uploaded the Picross DS cart straight to the eShop)



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