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I kinda like the game actually :P



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nitekrawler1285 said:

I'm surprised you think that statement would cause much of a stir.  This is a sales based site. From that perspective he is absolutely correct and it's rather measurable.  You just have some peoples opinions on your side with metacritic and reviewing publications. Every has an opinion and much like assholes I'm sure most of them stink.  Reviews hardly ever reflect the sentiment of the market.  Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart would have a much higher Metacritic were they anything close to representative.He has the hard earned dollars of the market on his side. You may want to ask yourself who's point doesn't have objective and measurable means because it doesn't seem like his.


Except sales do not indicate quality.  if they did, then Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit are just the best damn games ever and Metroid Prime is mediocre at best. He was making a statement based on quality. Yes Final Fantasy is a better SELLING game series, but that's what happens when you're a 20+ year old franchise with consistently impressive sales and reviews. 

and look around, while some people may say MAss Effect 2 is overrated (may very well be), Final Fantasy XIII is aggressively divisive.  There are no measures where Final Fantasy XIII is 'better' than Mass Effect 2.  At best some players may like it better. 



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Runa216 said:
nitekrawler1285 said:

I'm surprised you think that statement would cause much of a stir.  This is a sales based site. From that perspective he is absolutely correct and it's rather measurable.  You just have some peoples opinions on your side with metacritic and reviewing publications. Every has an opinion and much like assholes I'm sure most of them stink.  Reviews hardly ever reflect the sentiment of the market.  Wii Sports, Wii Fit, and Mario Kart would have a much higher Metacritic were they anything close to representative.He has the hard earned dollars of the market on his side. You may want to ask yourself who's point doesn't have objective and measurable means because it doesn't seem like his.


Except sales do not indicate quality.  if they did, then Wii Sports, Wii Play, and Wii Fit are just the best damn games ever and Metroid Prime is mediocre at best. He was making a statement based on quality. Yes Final Fantasy is a better SELLING game series, but that's what happens when you're a 20+ year old franchise with consistently impressive sales and reviews. 

and look around, while some people may say MAss Effect 2 is overrated (may very well be), Final Fantasy XIII is aggressively divisive.  There are no measures where Final Fantasy XIII is 'better' than Mass Effect 2.  At best some players may like it better. 

Sales are the closest thing to an objective measurable means as we will ever come to indicating quality.  More sales means more people voting with their own hard earned income.  Wii Sports, Wii Play and Wii Fit are just the best damn games ever and Metroid Prime is mediocre at best.  That is how it will be remembered because more people are actively investing in the Wii Sports, Wii Play and  Wii Fit experiences.  They do so because they are seen as higher quality experiences.   



nitekrawler1285 said:

Sales are the closest thing to an objective measurable means as we will ever come to indicating quality.  More sales means more people voting with their own hard earned income.  Wii Sports, Wii Play and Wii Fit are just the best damn games ever and Metroid Prime is mediocre at best.  That is how it will be remembered because more people are actively investing in the Wii Sports, Wii Play and  Wii Fit experiences.  They do so because they are seen as higher quality experiences.   

There is so much wrong with this answer and thought process that I'm not even going to dignify it with a well-worded answer.  instead I leave you with a single word: 

No.



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RolStoppable said:
badgenome said:
It sold on name value alone. We won't realize the damage FFXIII did to the series until the next Final Fantasy flops.

Pretty much this. The days of people buying Final Fantasy main series games without thinking twice might very well be over.

Also, Mass Effect 2 is overrated, but it's just one example of the gaming media increasingly trying to push the agenda that Western games have become dramatically better than Japanese ones.

ME2 is actually in the same boat as FFXIII, because fans of both series complained about the unnecessary removal of RPG elements.

Very well said.



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Runa216 said:
nitekrawler1285 said:

Sales are the closest thing to an objective measurable means as we will ever come to indicating quality.  More sales means more people voting with their own hard earned income.  Wii Sports, Wii Play and Wii Fit are just the best damn games ever and Metroid Prime is mediocre at best.  That is how it will be remembered because more people are actively investing in the Wii Sports, Wii Play and  Wii Fit experiences.  They do so because they are seen as higher quality experiences.   

There is so much wrong with this answer and thought process that I'm not even going to dignify it with a well-worded answer.  instead I leave you with a single word:

No.

A popular answer for the FF XIII topic.



RolStoppable said:
badgenome said:
It sold on name value alone. We won't realize the damage FFXIII did to the series until the next Final Fantasy flops.

Pretty much this. The days of people buying Final Fantasy main series games without thinking twice might very well be over.

Also, Mass Effect 2 is overrated, but it's just one example of the gaming media increasingly trying to push the agenda that Western games have become dramatically better than Japanese ones.

ME2 is actually in the same boat as FFXIII, because fans of both series complained about the unnecessary removal of RPG elements.

Are you serious? Western games have already surpassed Japanese games years ago. Mass Effect 2 is only slightly overrated, while every single Jaoanese game is an RPG or a Nintendo game.



SqueakySamurai said:

Are you serious? Western games have already surpassed Japanese games years ago. Mass Effect 2 is only slightly overrated, while every single Jaoanese game is an RPG or a Nintendo game.


just like how every western game is microsoft or some FPS game?  Gimme a break dude, don't be so ignorant. 



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Runa216 said:
SqueakySamurai said:

Are you serious? Western games have already surpassed Japanese games years ago. Mass Effect 2 is only slightly overrated, while every single Jaoanese game is an RPG or a Nintendo game.


just like how every western game is microsoft or some FPS game?  Gimme a break dude, don't be so ignorant. 

I know that I was exagerating, It was to prove a point. Western games are much more varied and higher quality, even Japanese people think that. I remember Hideo Kojima ( creator of Metal Gear Solid) saying that Japanese developers have lost the creativity that made their games so good.

http://www.vg247.com/2011/03/23/western-games-dominate-japanese-developers-best-of-2010-list/