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pezus said:
NJ5 said:
pezus said:
izaaz101 said:
Interesting how yesterday this was a "terrorist attack" and now its morphed to "confused white guy"...

Yeah, wth? Why the "confused"? More like completely insane

I wouldn't assume that he's insane. It looks like he has been planning this for quite a while and knew exactly what he was doing. It's defendable to call his views insane, but that's not the same thing as having a mental disorder.

His actions were insane imo. Who in their right mind would do something like this?

His actions weren't rational, for sure. He was never going to destroy the Labour Party this way, and now it's harder to be an immigration skeptic in Norway today than it was yesterday. But engaging in irrational behavior isn't necessarily the same thing as having a clincal disorder.



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MrBubbles said:
oh no. the original title was definitely an accurate description of the events and the person who did them. you just arent "getting" the new title, but thats ok.

Is it not an allusion to the difference in reporting of this event, by the media, minutes after it happened (when nothing was known and speculation about muslims and al-queda was rampant) and a few hours after it happened (when it was discovered to be a blonde, white guy acting alone)?



leatherhat said:
A lot of what I read about this guy claims that he was a an anti Islam Norwegian who supported Israel and was upset by Norway's support of a Palestinian State.

Whatever he believed in he was a pure psychopath, I hope the Norwegians drop the hammer on him.

Remember folks, mass murder is not the way to further an agenda!

I've read a few excerpts from various forums that are trying to correlate his blog/book statements.

 

Essentially this is my understanding:

 

Guy has bad childhood due to getting in fights with Muslims. Believes they are taking over Europe, and blames socialist/labour politicians for letting them in. So he coldly caclulates how to massacre their children at a camp. Hits the PM building with bombs as a diversion, so he can attack the kids at this camp. He wasn't an adherent to religion outside of a vague belief he was doing it for "The Church" although condemns the Protestant church (as he believes his 'good works', not God's grace will get him to heaven). He also cited "training" via Modern Warfare 2 which he expoused as being critical to his training :-

He seems fully conscious of what he's done. He is not 'crazy' in the sense that he randomly did this. It took a cold, calculating psycopath on the level of movie villians to do this.... Not a fly-by-night ruffiant.


Sounds like something out of a Uwe Boll film. Horrible stuff. My prayers are with everyone involved in the tragedy.



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mrstickball said:
leatherhat said:
A lot of what I read about this guy claims that he was a an anti Islam Norwegian who supported Israel and was upset by Norway's support of a Palestinian State.

Whatever he believed in he was a pure psychopath, I hope the Norwegians drop the hammer on him.

Remember folks, mass murder is not the way to further an agenda!

I've read a few excerpts from various forums that are trying to correlate his blog/book statements.

 

Essentially this is my understanding:

 

Guy has bad childhood due to getting in fights with Muslims. Believes they are taking over Europe, and blames socialist/labour politicians for letting them in. So he coldly caclulates how to massacre their children at a camp. Hits the PM building with bombs as a diversion, so he can attack the kids at this camp. He wasn't an adherent to religion outside of a vague belief he was doing it for "The Church" although condemns the Protestant church (as he believes his 'good works', not God's grace will get him to heaven). He also cited "training" via Modern Warfare 2 which he expoused as being critical to his training :-

He seems fully conscious of what he's done. He is not 'crazy' in the sense that he randomly did this. It took a cold, calculating psycopath on the level of movie villians to do this.... Not a fly-by-night ruffiant.


Sounds like something out of a Uwe Boll film. Horrible stuff. My prayers are with everyone involved in the tragedy.

 

While there are certain mental health issues which obviously would limit the ability to create effective plans, I highly doubt that most mental illness would have a significant impact on a person's ability to plan, or execute their plan; which is one of the reasons why people who act alone are so dangerous.



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NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

Seriously though... stupid political arguments aside. (Which i can't even believe are being made.)

How was there no one with a gun to shoot this guy after the first 10 or so victims?

I mean, there were no armed guards in this political kids retreat?

That just seems reckless.


Considering that less than 2 years ago this happened at a U.S. military installation, it's not so surprising.

I saw a journalist saying that Norwegian politicians regularly eat at restaurants without any security. The country is (was?) simply assumed to be quite safe even for politicians.



Except this had like.... 3 times the deaths... and in the fort hood case he used specific clearences to get past security. Had he used the same techniques as the guy in this case... he'd of been arrested at the front gate.

No country is safe from spree killers no matter your beliefs.

Reason is, most spree killers are ultra paranoid conspiracy theorists... even if your the most peaeful nuetral country in the world, a spree killer in waiting will just see  it as part of the conspiracy of you working for the Free Masons, or Illuminati or jews or whatever.



HappySqurriel said:
mrstickball said:
leatherhat said:
A lot of what I read about this guy claims that he was a an anti Islam Norwegian who supported Israel and was upset by Norway's support of a Palestinian State.

Whatever he believed in he was a pure psychopath, I hope the Norwegians drop the hammer on him.

Remember folks, mass murder is not the way to further an agenda!

I've read a few excerpts from various forums that are trying to correlate his blog/book statements.

 

Essentially this is my understanding:

 

Guy has bad childhood due to getting in fights with Muslims. Believes they are taking over Europe, and blames socialist/labour politicians for letting them in. So he coldly caclulates how to massacre their children at a camp. Hits the PM building with bombs as a diversion, so he can attack the kids at this camp. He wasn't an adherent to religion outside of a vague belief he was doing it for "The Church" although condemns the Protestant church (as he believes his 'good works', not God's grace will get him to heaven). He also cited "training" via Modern Warfare 2 which he expoused as being critical to his training :-

He seems fully conscious of what he's done. He is not 'crazy' in the sense that he randomly did this. It took a cold, calculating psycopath on the level of movie villians to do this.... Not a fly-by-night ruffiant.


Sounds like something out of a Uwe Boll film. Horrible stuff. My prayers are with everyone involved in the tragedy.

 

While there are certain mental health issues which obviously would limit the ability to create effective plans, I highly doubt that most mental illness would have a significant impact on a person's ability to plan, or execute their plan; which is one of the reasons why people who act alone are so dangerous.


I'd bet money on him having a sevre paranoia disorder and believing in one of the "Big 3" conspiracy groups as real.



So, is anyone actually going to answer why the thread title was changed? I still don't get it, wasn't this still a terrorist attack? Why has the terrorist suddenly been labelled as a confused white guy? I have a feeling I won't like the answers.



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I feel sad and sorry.. but till we dont do justice we are not going to achieve peace.

When one group is happy over the killing of others, how can we reach equilibrium of peaceful co-existance.

Innocent people killed in Afghanistan, Iraq, Palestine and all over the world in a conscious effort should either be accepted as killed in terrorist activity or there should be no word as a terrorist.. Labelling a word with one group or ethnicity is only going to widen this gap.

At this sad & sorry time, we should remember those killed daily in Aghanistan by a super power (USA) in a terrorist act. 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/07/14/afghan-civilian-death-toll-up-un_n_898069.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370758/Shocking-video-shows-U-S-troops-cheering-airstrike-blows-Afghan-civilians.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7501538.stm

There are so many death and casualties that we have stopped labelling it as an act of terrorism. Thats the lowest point of humanity we can reach where we label same act done by one group as wrong and done by another group as right. 



Kasz216 said:
NJ5 said:
Kasz216 said:

Seriously though... stupid political arguments aside. (Which i can't even believe are being made.)

How was there no one with a gun to shoot this guy after the first 10 or so victims?

I mean, there were no armed guards in this political kids retreat?

That just seems reckless.


Considering that less than 2 years ago this happened at a U.S. military installation, it's not so surprising.

I saw a journalist saying that Norwegian politicians regularly eat at restaurants without any security. The country is (was?) simply assumed to be quite safe even for politicians.



Except this had like.... 3 times the deaths... and in the fort hood case he used specific clearences to get past security. Had he used the same techniques as the guy in this case... he'd of been arrested at the front gate.

No country is safe from spree killers no matter your beliefs.

Reason is, most spree killers are ultra paranoid conspiracy theorists... even if your the most peaeful nuetral country in the world, a spree killer in waiting will just see  it as part of the conspiracy of you working for the Free Masons, or Illuminati or jews or whatever.

Arrested at the front gate? There was no gate. This is an island with an event happening on it.



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