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HappySqurriel on 23 July 2011
NinjaguyDan said:
HappySqurriel said:
NinjaguyDan said:
HappySqurriel said:
NinjaguyDan said:

In this day and age, isn't that the same thing? (ask rupert)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

"Fascists seek to purge forces, ideas, and systems deemed to be the cause of decadence and degeneration"

Which side of the political spectrum does that fit?  (Hint: It ain't the leftie socialists!)

...


Actually, it does sound a lot like progressive ideology ... Or do you dispute that progressive individuals are highly critical of the (so-called) "Rich" and want to re-distribute their wealth (decadence), or even retain some level of support for eugenics as long you're aborting babies with genetic defects rather than killing adults with genetic defects (degeneration)?

This isn't to say that Fascism is the same as Socialism but, as we were all taught in school, Fascism was envisioned as a "Third Way" and has some elements of Socialism and Capitalism in its ideology. Furthermore, many founders of modern progressive thought were actually inspired (to a certain extent) by Fascist ideology as implemented in Italy and Germany prior to seeing the inevitable outcome.


Who?

Being that H.G. Wells is credited with being the father of progressive ideology, and also looked upon facism very favourably, I would say that he is probably the best example.

H.G. Wells?  Ok, if you say so...

News to me. (and EVERY progressive out there)

 

Honestly, it doesn't surprise me that most progressive individuals are ignorant of the ideology they support and its origins ...



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sapphi_snake on 23 July 2011
HappySqurriel said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:
Obviously, an event like this could have been prevented had Norway increased screening of native born 12 year old girls along with their grandparents.

Yeah, I'm sure increasing the screening of people of Middle Eastern descent would've prevented the blonde blue eyed Norwegian from commiting this. This event really shows why racial profiling is inherently flawed.


Where did I say anything about basing it on racial terms, or is your assumption that everyone who rejects the idea that a 12 year old girl is likely to be a terrorist is a racist?

Stop trying to spin this in order to save face.



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mrstickball on 23 July 2011
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:
Obviously, an event like this could have been prevented had Norway increased screening of native born 12 year old girls along with their grandparents.

Yeah, I'm sure increasing the screening of people of Middle Eastern descent would've prevented the blonde blue eyed Norwegian from commiting this. This event really shows why racial profiling is inherently flawed.


Where did I say anything about basing it on racial terms, or is your assumption that everyone who rejects the idea that a 12 year old girl is likely to be a terrorist is a racist?

Stop trying to spin this in order to save face.


Why don't you point to HS arguing about screening muslims, rather than arguing him spinning it? If you want to argue someone about screening Muslims, Trestes was the first to mention it.



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Kasz216 on 23 July 2011
osamanobama said:
NinjaguyDan said:
Mummelmann said:

Turns out that these acts were carried out by a Norwegian, an ethnic one at that. Belongs to the extreme Right Wing in Oslo and has Nazi connections. Incredible that someone can do something like this to their own brothers and sisters, your very own neighbors.

The death toll reached 17, 7 killed in the city when the bomb went off and another 10 shot and killed at Utøya or drowned as they were escaping the shooter.

I'm still speechless, was supposed to work today at a night club but they chose to close the doors at 23:00 in sympathy with the victims and loved ones. This is not a night for parties, the owner said. I could not agree more. Good night everyone!


No Way!  I thought it would be a granola eating pot smoking hippie leftist marxist communist!

/sarcasm

you do know fascism/naziism, is of the left, right?

Nah it's more middleground.

Though progressives were big founders along with right wing authortarians.



Kasz216 on 23 July 2011
sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:
NinjaguyDan said:
Mummelmann said:

Turns out that these acts were carried out by a Norwegian, an ethnic one at that. Belongs to the extreme Right Wing in Oslo and has Nazi connections. Incredible that someone can do something like this to their own brothers and sisters, your very own neighbors.

The death toll reached 17, 7 killed in the city when the bomb went off and another 10 shot and killed at Utøya or drowned as they were escaping the shooter.

I'm still speechless, was supposed to work today at a night club but they chose to close the doors at 23:00 in sympathy with the victims and loved ones. This is not a night for parties, the owner said. I could not agree more. Good night everyone!


No Way!  I thought it would be a granola eating pot smoking hippie leftist marxist communist!

/sarcasm

you do know fascism/naziism, is of the left, right?

You do know that it's not, right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

Fascism was founded by Italian national syndicalists during World War I who combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to the right in the early 1920s.

While facism is a middleground thing...

progressives were instrumental in it's creation.

Progressivism keep in mind holds as central fact that changes in society should be top down and be implemeneted by strict government oversight.

And progressives tend to put an increased imporance in "groups of people."

Which is basically exactly what National Syndicalists are for.

 

A good example is to point out that the Progressive movement in Australia is reffered to as "The Third Way'.

Which is actually what Hitler called his economic policy.  I'm guessing they probably aren't aware of that.



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Mummelmann on 23 July 2011
NinjaguyDan said:
Mummelmann said:

Turns out that these acts were carried out by a Norwegian, an ethnic one at that. Belongs to the extreme Right Wing in Oslo and has Nazi connections. Incredible that someone can do something like this to their own brothers and sisters, your very own neighbors.

The death toll reached 17, 7 killed in the city when the bomb went off and another 10 shot and killed at Utøya or drowned as they were escaping the shooter.

I'm still speechless, was supposed to work today at a night club but they chose to close the doors at 23:00 in sympathy with the victims and loved ones. This is not a night for parties, the owner said. I could not agree more. Good night everyone!


No Way!  I thought it would be a granola eating pot smoking hippie leftist marxist communist!

/sarcasm


No need to be an ass about it. I wrote it because everyone and their dog seemed to think it was Muslim extremeists.



Kasz216 on 23 July 2011
sapphi_snake said:
HappySqurriel said:
Obviously, an event like this could have been prevented had Norway increased screening of native born 12 year old girls along with their grandparents.

Yeah, I'm sure increasing the screening of people of Middle Eastern descent would've prevented the blonde blue eyed Norwegian from commiting this. This event really shows why racial profiling is inherently flawed.


A) It actually depends.  If this guy was a right wing nutjob.  Chances are it actually WOULD have prevented it.  However if he was a nutjob who latched on to right wing beliefs because he wanted to shoot someone, he probably would of just approached it from the other angle.

 

B) Why does it show racial profiling is inherently flawed?  I mean, there was no case where he was suddenly let go because he was white that we know of... or really any case in general that suggests any less racial profiling would of stopped this.

Aside from which, you'd have to show that the current racial profiling they do isn't accuracte.  IE that there are proportionally as many people committing these acts that are of one race, then the race being profiled against.

The real problem with racial profiling is that it does work to a certain degree and is rude.  If it didn't work it wouldn't happen.

Racial profiling is just like any other kind of profiling.  It's based off of actual statistical data most of the time.

You know what race people look for when a serial killer is on the loose?  White... because statistically he's likely to be white, so they focus more on white people since they only have limited time and manpower.

Honsetly, I thought the guy was going to white myself after i heard about the mass shootings because white guys are supposed to be spree killers more often too... not really Terrorist MO to be honest with you.

Most people lead with the bombs though... and originally the death spree didn't seem as high.  So i can see why people thought it was more likely to be muslim jihadists.

 

Also you were just talking about stricter immigration policies... in this same thread... so that your suddenly acting holier then thou about something he didn't even say is... really just funny.



Mad55 on 23 July 2011

This is crazy why do that to kids.



M.U.G.E.N on 23 July 2011

damn...coming from a country which had a war running for about 30 years (thank god not anymore) my heart goes out to all those who are affected



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Kasz216 on 23 July 2011

Seriously though... stupid political arguments aside. (Which i can't even believe are being made.)

How was there no one with a gun to shoot this guy after the first 10 or so victims?

I mean, there were no armed guards in this political kids retreat?

That just seems reckless.