SpartenOmega117 said:
I've been thinking about this a long time and I came tot he conclusion there has to be a God (I follow Islam BTW). 1)There are a lot of loose ends in Science today that just can't be explained. What caused there to be a Big bang? 2) Was there a big bang or is it just something that scientists threw out there because it could not be explained? The qur an states that the universe is expanding. Where did Humans come from? Most scientists of course believe in evolution that humans likely evolved from primates.I personally believe in evolution as well since its obviously happening around us in the modern day. 3)But there was always a loose end (from what I know) in connecting humans to primates. A final skeleton was never found to connect humans to primate to confirm humans evolved from monkeys. And that is again where most people and even some scientists believe God is the answer. 4) Religion also carries the answers to a lot of loose ends that scientists have today. 5) Its just that scientists are not ready to accept defeat (which is commendable). 6)For example in the qur an it was mentioned that the Earth was round and it revolved around the sun (in a time period where most believed the earth was flat and everything revolved around. 7)The book even mentions the possibility of alien life from its first verse. So basically in the end the point is religion is a faith. You really have to believe it. It does carry a lot of answers that scientist are struggling to find today. However most scientist believe in just numbers and how they can solve everything. However the fact is that numbers are not able to prove God exists since numbers themselves are just a pattern scientists found to explain many things. So OP you basically have to decide. /my 2 cents
read this if you want some more details and connections with qur an and science- http://www.ummah.net/islam/taqwapalace/science/science2.htm
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1) Correction: There are a lot of loose ends in Science today that just can't be explained yet!
2) The term big bang is misleading because it implies that something exploded whereas the theory is that if the universe is expanding and has been expanding in the past then it must have started as much smaller than it is today. So the Big Bang theory is not here because scientists couldn't explain things (like saying that the lightning came from Zeus because we don't know its origin) but was the logical conclusion of the observations made by Hubble that the Universe is expanding. Further experiments like measuring the background radiation of the Universe confirmed it.
The term Big Bang was actually a pejorative term used by the theory's detractors to ridicule it, it just happened to capture the public's imagination.
3) And there never will be because the theory of Evolution does not claim that humans evolved from monkeys. It would be like claiming that you evolved from you cousin (as opposed to both of you evolving from your grandparent, though of course two generations is not long enough for natural selection forces to have any meaningful impact but you get the idea I hope).
Humans did not evolve from monkeys and monkeys did not evolve from humans but rather they both evolved from a common ancestor.
Also, there is no loose end connecting humans to primates because humans are primates. look at the scientific classification of genus homo.
4) It is more correct to say that various religions claim to have the answer to a lot of questions that science cannot answer today (including questions that are outside of science's domain). Whether these various religions do have those answers (or rather whether their answers are accurate) is another matter.
5) Looks like the opposite to me. Science has done a far better job to explain the physical world than religion ever has but religion does not want to admit defeat and so they keep changing their beliefs and reinterpreting their holy texts when they realise that a particular battle is lost.
6) Actually, scientists (or their closest contemporary equivalents) have known that the earth was round since about 1000 years before the writing of the koran. Those that did believe in a flat earth did so on a religious basis. However, while they knew that the earth was round, they did believe that it was at the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around it and did so until about 900-1000 years after the Koran.
7) Even if they do not admit it, any religion that posits an earth created by a sentient entity (like a god) is by definition asserting the existence of extraterrestrial life as the entity creating the earth is a form of life and, as it creates the earth it cannot come from it and is thus an extraterrestrial form of life.
Also, even assuming arguando that what is stated in your link is totally true it still doesn't mean that the koran is a scientific book. For it to be scientific it would need to be both explanatory and allow to make predictions. It is not explanatory in that it only states how things supposedly are but without trying to explain how things work but simply saying that they do it because allah causes them to do it (which is the same as claiming"a wizard did it" is a scientific explanation). And it does not allow to make predictions because there is not enough explanations to do so. So at best in such a case it would be an esoteric revelation of scientific facts but it certainly wouldn't be a scientific book.
But the biggest problem with all those claims that the koran (or the bible for christians making similar arguments) described so and so scientific discovery hundreds of years before science and is thus a scientific book and is thus proof that it is the true religion is that most of those so called predictions are not made by followers of the koran/bible before the scientific discovery but rather, after the discovery is made and is widely accepted in scientific circles, you have people combing through their favourite holy texts and looking if there is any poetic description that can be reinterpreted to conform to our scientific understanding of the world whilst ignoring any passage that would contradict it.
For example, your link interprets the koran saying "Each one [the sun and the moon] is travelling in an orbit with its own motion" as meaning the moon's orbit around the earth and the sun's orbit around the galaxy and then claiming that the koran predicted the scientific discovery of the sun orbiting the galactic centre. But what is more likely, that the koran meant that the moon is orbiting the earth and the sun is orbiting the galaxy, while forgetting to mention the orbit of the earth around the sun; or is it more likely that the koran meant that both the sun and the moon have an orbit around the earth.
And even if the koran was written to mean the former, what use is it as a scientific text if it did not help muslim scientists to discover the orbiting of the sun around the galaxy and we had to wait until science built up enough discoveries one upon the other to finally arrive at that conclusion?
There is also the problem that if the understanding of those "scientific" passages was improper prior to the corresponding scientific discovery, does it not imply the possibility that passages dealing with morality might also be improperly interpreted?
It also ignores passages that contradict it, like this one:
"Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water"
The only way this can work is if the sun orbits around the earth and that there is a physical point on the earth where the sun sets (the spring of murky water) which implies both a geocentric model and a flat earth, as anybody who understood the concept of a spherical(ish) earth would also understand that the setting of the sun is jsut an optical illusion caused by the curvature of the earth and thus there is no point on earth that you can reach where the sun set as if you go to the point where it appears to set and wait until it sets again it will not set where you are but will now appear to set further away.
If the koran was a (partly) scientific book I would expect to have overwhelmingly more muslim scientists than non-muslim scientists (and same with bible and christian scientists) as they would be able to use the koran as a cheat sheet to formulate their theories.
I really wish that religious people of all religion would change their stance to "this is not a scientific/historical text but a poetic text about a moral system given by god to us and thus any description of the world found therein is nothing but a poetical allegory not to be taken liberally".
Of course the reason they do not do that is because they realise that if you can't trust its accuracy with respect to things you can check then how can you trust its accuracy with respect to things that you cannot check at all (the supernatural and moral guide parts of holy texts).