"IN reality Nintendo games was the definition of what the hardcore gamers played."

I don't know what hardcore gamers are but the other systems have a clear lead when it comes to complex games. And they mostly inherited them from PC gaming.

Bioshock, Mass Effects, Assassin's are a step into the direction of PC games with all their varied options, actions, their complex storylines etc.

Nintendo has clearly stayed in the console game type world with games that are more accessible but not nearly as complex.

Which is no bad thing there should be room for both approaches. Now that PS3 and 360 games get more PClike and complex perhaps some of the less approachable but awesome games like Xwing/FreeSpace/Civilization/Starcraft/Siedler could get a foothold on consoles.

I claimed that based on over 4 million Zelda TP sales. If you'd have checked the million sellers you'd seen that Red Steel, Re4 and Super Paper Mario are among those.

Some people, like you dgm, think they are the definition of hardcore and don't understand people have fun with games like RRR and Mario and Sonic, and despise Nintendo games for some reason. if you don't like Nintendo that's fine, but don't call yourself hardcore if you never played Mario or Zelda.

I don't say that games like BioShock and Mass Effect are not among the better games available and I understand peoples preferences (I don't like these mini-games either) but don't give me this Nintendo=Kiddy Bullshit anymore.

The way you dismiss Lego Star Wars as Kiddy says enough to me.

That was the past  present day they left hardcore to make money.

Hardcore gamers are the ones who paint thier skin purple and wear watermelons on thier feet.

Hardcore gams what are their purpuse is it like there exsist gamers that only buy hardcore games or actully most games are hardcore.

My conclusion there is no core gamers.

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Can anyone give me a site that sells Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance and can ship it to Norway I have spend the last 2 days looking for that title.

 You really are a funny guy aren't you?

 Yes, Nintendo's quality hasn't diminished any. And I wasn't worried that thier future efforts would either, but I can certainly see how some people would be concerned that many developers may produce a less inspired product in order to match what is currently popular. As I said, I don't sport this notion, but I can understand some peoples fear of it. I also think many of these people unjusitfiably throw the blame at Nintendo. They merely facilitate it (who wouldn't? They're cleaning up!), as we've mentioned earlier, they are releasing both high-quality games as well as the 'casual' type.

 My apologies about the hypocrital part, I must've mixed up the posts as I was responding. I didn't mean to call you a hypocrit so much as I meant to pass off that you were being hypocritical. Hope that makes sense. Again, I apologize for my carelessness and didn't mean any offense.

Not sure if you are comfortable with ebay/used games, but there is a copy on ebay.co.uk for a decent price, item number: 120204061868

I just started this game for a second round. Absolutely love it. Radiant Dawn is currenly my biggest Wii itch.

so....if pikmin, zelda and mario aren't hardcore, how can nintendo be abandoning the hardcore if they never made hardcore games in the first place according to you?

way to contradict yourself dickhead