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20happyballs on 13 June 2011
glimmer_of_hope said:
20happyballs said:
Roma said:

So before the Wii U was announced people like pachter said that if Nintendo would release a console now it would be too late as Sony and MS have already released HD consoles.

People seem to have forgotten that a console lifecycle is 5-6 years before the successor to it arrives.

Now Nintendo has revealed the Wii U and people are saying that it is late! Late for what? I ask. Late for HD they say! :P

Your either a noob or your memory before the HD consoles have been whipped out! Seriously!

The Wii is this gen and not last gen as people like to say. Sure it has dated graphics but it still is current gen. The HD consoles are current gen, not next gen as some people keep on saying.

>_<

You would think a person like Pachter would know the history of consoles and how they have been in the past.

Some people compares the Wii U to Dreamcast but I wonder why as there is no resemblance that I see between them. Well except that they both have screens on the controller but beyond that they are vastly different in every way.

The Dreamcast did not released before its predecessor had even completed a full console life cycle which the Wii will have in December this year.

Wii U coming out too soon? WTH since when was a console life more than 5-6 years? Or better yet the Wii U is coming too late!! What!? It is starting the next generation so how can it be late?

 

Rant over. sanx for reading!  


Ever since the Wii came out, I never really considered it to be part of the current generation because it relies on gimmicks rather than actual quality, IMHO. It has always been its own thing providing gamers with a unique enough experience to make it not really fit in with the other consoles. Except for a few exceptions, certainly the games were not up to our current gen's quality standards. I'm sure many of you will disagree with me on this, but just because a game is good, it doesn't mean it is high quality.  

"Since when was a console life more than 5-6 years"?...Since this gen actually. If we had to classify whether the Wii U is late or early, I would say definitely on the late side. By the time Sony and Microsoft release their next consoles, like 2-4 yrs from now, the Wii U will be obsolete from a hardware perspective. The Wii U is definitely not starting a new generation. The Wii U is coming out late, but in the long run Nintendo has been successful from pure innovation and so I'm not saying the Wii U won't succeed either.  


So let me see here.....you said Wii wasn't part of the 7th gen consoles, and then you end by say Wii U shouldn't be the start of the 8th gen consoles. I think we have ourselves a Nintendo hater. Lolz

No, I'm definitely not a Nintendo hater. I'm just saying that pairing a group into a console generation shouldn't be decided by when they are released, but by what they offer. The only reason we combine generations among multiple products is because they are similar. But IMO, the Wii is not similar enough to warrant it's place in the same generation as the 360 & PS3. But I am in no way saying that is a bad thing, i'm just saying Nintendo sees this also and so the Wii U is coming out on its own time, disregarding their competitors so they are neither early or late.





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Icyedge on 14 June 2011

If we would consider gen like before, both the Wii and Wii U would be in some kind of in between, but anyway, I dont think gen is a term that make sense anymore. Something sure, Nintendo are 3 gen of profit ahead lol.



Kantor on 14 June 2011

I haven't seen anybody saying that the Wii U is late. It's not really too soon either - Wii sales are starting to slow down (or they were, until they randomly picked up two weeks ago) and people want a new console.



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amp316 on 14 June 2011

I think that the other two might be the ones that are too late. The Wii has had a normal life cycle and Nintendo is moving toward the future while the others are extending the "life" of their consoles in order to make the sales look more respectable.

Nintendo is getting the jump on the competition.



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Seece on 14 June 2011
amp316 said:
I think that the other two might be the ones that are too late. The Wii has had a normal life cycle and Nintendo is moving toward the future while the others are extending the "life" of their consoles in order to make the sales look more respectable.

Nintendo is getting the jump on the competition.

'normal' what's normal in this industry? Why is abnormal for things to evolve. The 3rd year peak and 5 year cycle is old news. Pretty sure MS and Sony want to recoup some money, and PS360 are still doing great so why not?



 

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amp316 on 14 June 2011
Seece said:
amp316 said:
I think that the other two might be the ones that are too late. The Wii has had a normal life cycle and Nintendo is moving toward the future while the others are extending the "life" of their consoles in order to make the sales look more respectable.

Nintendo is getting the jump on the competition.

'normal' what's normal in this industry? Why is abnormal for things to evolve. The 3rd year peak and 5 year cycle is old news. Pretty sure MS and Sony want to recoup some money, and PS360 are still doing great so why not?

Normal is a five or six year cycle.  Always has been.

Things are evolving as you call it because as you stated, the PS360 want to recoup some money.

Now I might not be a genius but I can read the sales on the front page, and if PS360 is doing great then what is the Wii doing?



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Zlejedi on 14 June 2011

Nintendo truly is the master of innovation. They are first company to release 2 consoles into same generation ;)

Altrough I guess it's up for dispute whether we should count GC+Wii or Wii+Wii U as basis of this achievment ;)



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Seece on 14 June 2011
amp316 said:
Seece said:
amp316 said:
I think that the other two might be the ones that are too late. The Wii has had a normal life cycle and Nintendo is moving toward the future while the others are extending the "life" of their consoles in order to make the sales look more respectable.

Nintendo is getting the jump on the competition.

'normal' what's normal in this industry? Why is abnormal for things to evolve. The 3rd year peak and 5 year cycle is old news. Pretty sure MS and Sony want to recoup some money, and PS360 are still doing great so why not?

Normal is a five or six year cycle.  Always has been.

Things are evolving as you call it because as you stated, the PS360 want to recoup some money.

Now I might not be a genius but I can read the sales on the front page, and if PS360 is doing great then what is the Wii doing?

Not great, Nintendo are intervening but they still expect to be 3rd this year, and looks like Wii is going to continue going down, it's no longer a viable platform for Nintendo. PS360 havn't even had their peak years yet.



 

amp316 on 14 June 2011
Seece said:
amp316 said:
Seece said:
amp316 said:
I think that the other two might be the ones that are too late. The Wii has had a normal life cycle and Nintendo is moving toward the future while the others are extending the "life" of their consoles in order to make the sales look more respectable.

Nintendo is getting the jump on the competition.

'normal' what's normal in this industry? Why is abnormal for things to evolve. The 3rd year peak and 5 year cycle is old news. Pretty sure MS and Sony want to recoup some money, and PS360 are still doing great so why not?

Normal is a five or six year cycle.  Always has been.

Things are evolving as you call it because as you stated, the PS360 want to recoup some money.

Now I might not be a genius but I can read the sales on the front page, and if PS360 is doing great then what is the Wii doing?

Not great, Nintendo are intervening but they still expect to be 3rd this year, and looks like Wii is going to continue going down, it's no longer a viable platform for Nintendo. PS360 havn't even had their peak years yet.

Even if Nintendo does come in 3rd (which I admit is possible), what makes you think that PS360 haven't had their peak years yet?  I personally think that these might be their peak years.  What on the horizon makes you think that they'll sell better than they are currently? 



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Seece on 14 June 2011
amp316 said:
Seece said:
amp316 said:
Seece said:
amp316 said:
I think that the other two might be the ones that are too late. The Wii has had a normal life cycle and Nintendo is moving toward the future while the others are extending the "life" of their consoles in order to make the sales look more respectable.

Nintendo is getting the jump on the competition.

'normal' what's normal in this industry? Why is abnormal for things to evolve. The 3rd year peak and 5 year cycle is old news. Pretty sure MS and Sony want to recoup some money, and PS360 are still doing great so why not?

Normal is a five or six year cycle.  Always has been.

Things are evolving as you call it because as you stated, the PS360 want to recoup some money.

Now I might not be a genius but I can read the sales on the front page, and if PS360 is doing great then what is the Wii doing?

Not great, Nintendo are intervening but they still expect to be 3rd this year, and looks like Wii is going to continue going down, it's no longer a viable platform for Nintendo. PS360 havn't even had their peak years yet.

Even if Nintendo does come in 3rd (which I admit is possible), what makes you think that PS360 haven't had their peak years yet?  I personally think that these might be their peak years.  What on the horizon makes you think that they'll sell better than they are currently? 


Nintendo forecast 13 mill this FY, Sony forecast 15 mill, and Microsoft have said they're going to outsell both platforms this year.

'The second half of 2011 promises to be monumental for Xbox 360 with the biggest blockbuster games, Kinect games and experiences, as well as movies, music and TV together all in one place. This will propel Xbox 360 to be number one worldwide by the end of the year, out-selling PlayStation 3 and Wii.'

'In the seventh year of its lifecycle, Xbox 360 is on pace to have the biggest year in its history'