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GhaudePhaede010 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:


I understand Nintendo cannot please everyone, I know that no matter what Nintendo did, there would be people that would not buy into them, and I get that if your favorite company buys in and does the same thing, that will be ok with you, but when someone makes a topic calling out some of those people, do not try to flip thee argument. If you were one of the people that said, 1)"Until Nintendo moves into this generation graphically, I will not be buying their product..." or something along those lines, then now you have no excuse. But those are some of the same people that have decided that now that Nintendo decided to do just that, they will find something new and not significant (no DVD playback, uses Wii remotes as well... whatever) and not related to their original gripes as, "legit" reasons not to buy the new console.

2)When Sony and Microsoft started outselling Nintendo, it was due to their consoles having new, "Nintendo-esque" hardware. Instead of seeing the people that bash Nintendo saying, "this is lame, our company is getting tons of casual sales and turning their back on the hardcore gamer..." what I see is a lot of, "about time..." and even some form of pride. Nintendo won this generation no matter which console you own because in thee end, it was Microsoft and Sony that had to adapt to Nintendo and not thee other way around.

1) Yes you have one if the next box as an example is announced and his graphics power are a big step forward compared to the WiiU....If you care only about the grahpics.

 

2) You are failing horrible,  you could say this about X360 but about PS3? I can't remember to see a move game in the top 40 for a very long time..


1) You are using if's and I do not use if's in that manner. Nintendo has AT LEAST delivered what some people said they wanted and now they are now making new excuses to not getting Nintendo's new console. This hypocrisy is what the topic is about and those people deserve to be called out.

2) I do not understand your point here. I see what you are saying but I do not even know how to address this because I do not know how the game sales relate to my hardware analysis.

1) It is not hypocricy  when you wanted a super computer in 2007 to play Crysis but don't get it and are not happy when you end up getting one in 2012...

2)  Considering if someone buys move it is always atleast bundled with sports champions and that game didn't show up for quite some months now so I doubt when the PS3 was outselling the wii it was thx to the Move...



 

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why would you expect anything less? Fanboys of other consoles will NEVER accept Nintendo as a viable, worthy console creator.

Its like expecting Muslim extremists to become Christian because you told them Jesus didn't eat pork either. =P

Besides, when in these forums, most of the users are in their 20s. Let's just say I've had more lucrative conversations with brick walls. 20 is the new 10 =D



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There will always be haters and fanboys who won't come around, that's just a part of the industry.
And while Nintendo fans who got burned on the Wii shouldn't jump to conclusions on the Wii U, Nintendo haven't exactly given them much to go on, as all we've seen from Nintendo are concepts.

I'm personally sold on the concept, as Nintendo have shown that they can execute well on it. But they have a long way to go before they have me sold on the console. We barely know about any games for it (much less games that will take advantage of its capabilities), and Nintendo have shown no actual content for the Wii U.

The reason the Wii was slammed by these fans to begin with was because it didn't provide enough games and experiences for the core gamer.
1) The graphics were in the same league as those of the previous generation.
2) The online experience was shallow.
3) Nintendo was promoting games like Wii Sports, Wii Music and Wii Fit as their big games, making many core gamers feeling neglected despite having games like Mario Kart and Super Mario Galaxy.
Combined with a lack of third party support, the PS360 represented a better choice if you wanted continued support with core games and accomplished online gaming.

Now with the Wii U, all we know is this.
1) It is more powerful than the PS360, but it's unclear how big the actual leap is, as it doesn't seem that far removed from the PS360.
2) There is very little specific information on the online functionality, leading to a lot of confusion on the matter.
3) Nintendo announced no games for the platform, and have showed only concepts.
Combined with lots of third party games that will release on other platforms much sooner than the Wii U, gamers have little reason to want the actual console right now.

You can't really fault people who got burned on the Wii for being let down by the Wii U so far. Nintendo still have a ways to go before they've proven that core gamers will feel at home on the Wii U.



Lostplanet22 said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

1) Yes you have one if the next box as an example is announced and his graphics power are a big step forward compared to the WiiU....If you care only about the grahpics.

 

2) You are failing horrible,  you could say this about X360 but about PS3? I can't remember to see a move game in the top 40 for a very long time..


1) You are using if's and I do not use if's in that manner. Nintendo has AT LEAST delivered what some people said they wanted and now they are now making new excuses to not getting Nintendo's new console. This hypocrisy is what the topic is about and those people deserve to be called out.

2) I do not understand your point here. I see what you are saying but I do not even know how to address this because I do not know how the game sales relate to my hardware analysis.

1) It is not hypocricy  when you wanted a super computer in 2007 to play Crysis but don't get it and are not happy when you end up getting one in 2012...

2)  Considering if someone buys move it is always atleast bundled with sports champions and that game didn't show up for quite some months now so I doubt when the PS3 was outselling the wii it was thx to the Move...


1) You are now moving the goal posts and speculating on information you do not really know about. It is hypocrisy when you make the statement, "...this will get me with Nintendo..." and then when that happens you decide on a new reason not to want Nintendo. Those people should be called out, and have been by this topic. Anyone that said, "I will get a Nintendo console when there is a Zelda HD (and there were plenty)" will now have Zelda HD but nah, they still do not want the console. All we want is for those people to own up, take responsibility, and explain what their real problem is because it is clearly not what they said it is.

2) This issue is seriously deeper than a rise in Sony and/or Microsoft sales, it is just as much about Nintendo's current drop in sales. Nintendo had a drop off in sales following the release of two add-ons that made the more powerful consoles very similar, in fucntionality to Wii. It is reasonable to conclude that the people that were going to buy Wii decided to buy a more powerful console, that offers the same (or better depending on who you ask) experiences as Wii, for a reasonable price. Even if Sony and Microsoft sales did not rise (which I think that have), Nintendo's did fall (I believe both happened) and that is because people are changing their mind on which console to buy. Price cuts did not have affects that lasted that long... my point is, the people that are now purchasing XBOX 360 and PS3 are the people the Wii haters rally against. I see a lot of women (soccer moms) interested in Kinect (for example) and the coverage of both products was similar to the coverage given to Wii in the first couple years. Nintendo did not go HD with Wii, Sony and Microsoft went motion controls (which is so telling of so many things) to keep up. Which is why no matter which console you buy into, Nintendo won this generation hands down.



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The people who bashed the DS or Wii are NOT the people bashing the 3DS and WiiU right now. The people bashing 3DS and WiiU are the same fans that did not buy N64 and Gamecube, causing those systems to be failures that needed a remedy as drastic as Wii.

DS had tons of top down RPGs, 2D platformers, and "non-games" like Brain Age. 3DS has Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart with a gimmick, 3D Mario, an Ocarina remake and 3D Kid Icarus. These are Gamecube style games, and that's why people are unhappy with Nintendo and why 3DS sales are terrible so far.

It looks like WiiU is going in a similar direction to 3DS. Wii already did not have proper follow ups to NSMBW, Wii Sports or Wii Fit. It did not have the 3D action/adventure games that were promised in early Wii promo videos. And now that we are getting Zelda at the end of the system's life, even that is a puzzle game, with a Nintendo rep saying even the enemies are like little puzzles. This is what people are mad at.

Nintendo is unwilling to continually make the games that made them successful, ie the games that their fans most love.



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"The way to solve this problem lies in how to communicate what kind of games [they CAN play]."

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Erik Aston said:
The people who bashed the DS or Wii are NOT the people bashing the 3DS and WiiU right now. The people bashing 3DS and WiiU are the same fans that did not buy N64 and Gamecube, causing those systems to be failures that needed a remedy as drastic as Wii.

DS had tons of top down RPGs, 2D platformers, and "non-games" like Brain Age. 3DS has Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart with a gimmick, 3D Mario, an Ocarina remake and 3D Kid Icarus. These are Gamecube style games, and that's why people are unhappy with Nintendo and why 3DS sales are terrible so far.

It looks like WiiU is going in a similar direction to 3DS. Wii already did not have proper follow ups to NSMBW, Wii Sports or Wii Fit. It did not have the 3D action/adventure games that were promised in early Wii promo videos. And now that we are getting Zelda at the end of the system's life, even that is a puzzle game, with a Nintendo rep saying even the enemies are like little puzzles. This is what people are mad at.

Nintendo is unwilling to continually make the games that made them successful, ie the games that their fans most love.


Mario Kart with a gimmick? Please explain. Gliders and going underwater are about as gimmicky as picking up powerups while driving around a race track on a cart.



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all im really getting from this thread is that there are a lot of sensitive nintendo fanboys on this site... sony and microsoft also get a lot of hate for various reasons but i don't see fans of either company complaining... look at all the hate microsoft got at E3 from their focus on kinect and supposed lack of focus on the core even though they have halo anniversary, forza 4 and gears 3 lined up for year end



GhaudePhaede010 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

1) Yes you have one if the next box as an example is announced and his graphics power are a big step forward compared to the WiiU....If you care only about the grahpics.

 

2) You are failing horrible,  you could say this about X360 but about PS3? I can't remember to see a move game in the top 40 for a very long time..


1) You are using if's and I do not use if's in that manner. Nintendo has AT LEAST delivered what some people said they wanted and now they are now making new excuses to not getting Nintendo's new console. This hypocrisy is what the topic is about and those people deserve to be called out.

2) I do not understand your point here. I see what you are saying but I do not even know how to address this because I do not know how the game sales relate to my hardware analysis.

1) It is not hypocricy  when you wanted a super computer in 2007 to play Crysis but don't get it and are not happy when you end up getting one in 2012...

2)  Considering if someone buys move it is always atleast bundled with sports champions and that game didn't show up for quite some months now so I doubt when the PS3 was outselling the wii it was thx to the Move...


1) You are now moving the goal posts and speculating on information you do not really know about. It is hypocrisy when you make the statement, "...this will get me with Nintendo..." and then when that happens you decide on a new reason not to want Nintendo. Those people should be called out, and have been by this topic. Anyone that said, "I will get a Nintendo console when there is a Zelda HD (and there were plenty)" will now have Zelda HD but nah, they still do not want the console. All we want is for those people to own up, take responsibility, and explain what their real problem is because it is clearly not what they said it is.

2) This issue is seriously deeper than a rise in Sony and/or Microsoft sales, it is just as much about Nintendo's current drop in sales. Nintendo had a drop off in sales following the release of two add-ons that made the more powerful consoles very similar, in fucntionality to Wii. It is reasonable to conclude that the people that were going to buy Wii decided to buy a more powerful console, that offers the same (or better depending on who you ask) experiences as Wii, for a reasonable price. Even if Sony and Microsoft sales did not rise (which I think that have), Nintendo's did fall (I believe both happened) and that is because people are changing their mind on which console to buy. Price cuts did not have affects that lasted that long... my point is, the people that are now purchasing XBOX 360 and PS3 are the people the Wii haters rally against. I see a lot of women (soccer moms) interested in Kinect (for example) and the coverage of both products was similar to the coverage given to Wii in the first couple years. Nintendo did not go HD with Wii, Sony and Microsoft went motion controls (which is so telling of so many things) to keep up. Which is why no matter which console you buy into, Nintendo won this generation hands down.


1) Meh in all thos years I hardly saw someone posting he didn't wanted a Wii because their would be no Zelda HD...hardly any third party support, don't like Nintendo games, an horrible online experience, don't like to play motion controls that were like the most common reasons stated by users vgchartz why they don't want a Wii or didn't like it.

2)  The Wii's sales are already in decline for years;.Sony especially is just selling more because they are releasing a lot of games combined with a lot of multiplatform titles why the Wii had hardly any games..PS3 is not outselling the Wii in Japan because the popularity of the move games;..Ps3 was not outselling the Wii thx to move games...At this point we may be happy if an move games can sell 5k a week...And the gap was way bigger than 5k..



 

Lostplanet22 said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Lostplanet22 said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:

 

 

 

1) You are now moving the goal posts and speculating on information you do not really know about. It is hypocrisy when you make the statement, "...this will get me with Nintendo..." and then when that happens you decide on a new reason not to want Nintendo. Those people should be called out, and have been by this topic. Anyone that said, "I will get a Nintendo console when there is a Zelda HD (and there were plenty)" will now have Zelda HD but nah, they still do not want the console. All we want is for those people to own up, take responsibility, and explain what their real problem is because it is clearly not what they said it is.

2) This issue is seriously deeper than a rise in Sony and/or Microsoft sales, it is just as much about Nintendo's current drop in sales. Nintendo had a drop off in sales following the release of two add-ons that made the more powerful consoles very similar, in fucntionality to Wii. It is reasonable to conclude that the people that were going to buy Wii decided to buy a more powerful console, that offers the same (or better depending on who you ask) experiences as Wii, for a reasonable price. Even if Sony and Microsoft sales did not rise (which I think that have), Nintendo's did fall (I believe both happened) and that is because people are changing their mind on which console to buy. Price cuts did not have affects that lasted that long... my point is, the people that are now purchasing XBOX 360 and PS3 are the people the Wii haters rally against. I see a lot of women (soccer moms) interested in Kinect (for example) and the coverage of both products was similar to the coverage given to Wii in the first couple years. Nintendo did not go HD with Wii, Sony and Microsoft went motion controls (which is so telling of so many things) to keep up. Which is why no matter which console you buy into, Nintendo won this generation hands down.


1) Meh in all thos years I hardly saw someone posting he didn't wanted a Wii because their would be no Zelda HD...hardly any third party support, don't like Nintendo games, an horrible online experience, don't like to play motion controls that were like the most common reasons stated by users vgchartz why they don't want a Wii or didn't like it.

2)  The Wii's sales are already in decline for years;.Sony especially is just selling more because they are releasing a lot of games combined with a lot of multiplatform titles why the Wii had hardly any games..PS3 is not outselling the Wii in Japan because the popularity of the move games;..Ps3 was not outselling the Wii thx to move games...At this point we may be happy if an move games can sell 5k a week...And the gap was way bigger than 5k..

1) I expected you to say this and that is why this topic, is clearly not intended for you. So there is no need for you to take it to heart or honestly even be here. The call out made here is for the supporters that have heard this bs and had to put up with it, and the people that make those bs statements and then move the goal post because they never expected Nintendo to do what they claim they wanted Nintendo to do. I said I understand there are going to be people out there that are haters or simply do not agree with Nintendo, but there are also people like those being discussed in this topic. They can run and hide, but believe me, we remember that these things were said.

2) First sentence is not important to this conversation. Second statement is simply unfounded; at least I have the release of Move AND Kinect as the timeframe that Sony and Microsoft started outselling Nintendo. You say it was about games, but games were not putting Sony or Microsoft on top initially and Wii has had the same problem with games ALL GENERATION LONG (allegedly). I am not talking about Move games or games in general (except that you baited me into that one comment in my previous sentence but my bad), because that does not impact what I have said at all.

Lastly, it was not nice of you to say I was failing. The newfound success of thee HD consoles and/or thee underperformance of Wii can be attributed to, at this point, the fact that thee HD consoles can do everything Nintendo can do, but with better graphics and at a comparable price. Sony and Microsoft have successfully cut into Nintendo's, "blue ocean" market. It is really that simple. And that means all the casuals are starting to talk with their dollar but the Sony and Microsoft fans neglect this.



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themanwithnoname said:
Erik Aston said:
The people who bashed the DS or Wii are NOT the people bashing the 3DS and WiiU right now. The people bashing 3DS and WiiU are the same fans that did not buy N64 and Gamecube, causing those systems to be failures that needed a remedy as drastic as Wii.

DS had tons of top down RPGs, 2D platformers, and "non-games" like Brain Age. 3DS has Luigi's Mansion, Mario Kart with a gimmick, 3D Mario, an Ocarina remake and 3D Kid Icarus. These are Gamecube style games, and that's why people are unhappy with Nintendo and why 3DS sales are terrible so far.

It looks like WiiU is going in a similar direction to 3DS. Wii already did not have proper follow ups to NSMBW, Wii Sports or Wii Fit. It did not have the 3D action/adventure games that were promised in early Wii promo videos. And now that we are getting Zelda at the end of the system's life, even that is a puzzle game, with a Nintendo rep saying even the enemies are like little puzzles. This is what people are mad at.

Nintendo is unwilling to continually make the games that made them successful, ie the games that their fans most love.


Mario Kart with a gimmick? Please explain. Gliders and going underwater are about as gimmicky as picking up powerups while driving around a race track on a cart.

I was going to retort that it was no more gimmicky than Bikes (and really only as gimmicky as "tricks"), but yours made even more sense



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