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mrstickball on 20 June 2011
The Fury said:
Robbie2010 said:
The reasons that people usually cite for hating bush are the same things Obama promised to stop and yet continues.

Bush - Iraq/Afghanistan
Obama - Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya

Bush - high deficit/ high debt/ climbing unemployment
Obama - higher deficit/ higher debt/ promised unemployment wouldn't go above 8% and it went above 10 and is now above 9

Obama promised to end guantanamo within a year and did not, and end military tribunals but yet still continues them.

But these are mostly domestic issues, i guess Obama is nicer to the international community while Bush had an America is Number 1 mentality.

Bush - Started 2 wars (one illegally). During Bushes administration banks and insurance companies started the financial crisis and plunged the world into recession.

Obama - Has tried to end 2 wars and bring soldiers home. During Obama's administration he's helped to stablise the world ecomony by saving banks, this involed bail outs. But due to dept before Obama, companies have gone out of business putting thousands in unemployment in Obama's administration.

Different perspectives.

Quite wrong.

Obama didn't bail out the banks. Bush did via TARP. Obama hasn't 'tried to end 2 wars and bring soldiers home'. Can you offer ANY data that Obama has accellerated the return of our soldiers?

Oh, and Obama started an illegal war. Look at the problems Obama is getting from both sides of the fence with the War Powers Act. Obama is doing all Bush had done and more in a shorter time frame. If you disliked Bush for the various reasons (financial crisis, wars, ect), then you should dislike Obama, because he is Bush on crack cocaine.



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Beuli2 on 20 June 2011

Maybe it's more that he is just much better than Bush.



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mrstickball on 20 June 2011
Beuli2 said:
Maybe it's more that he is just much better than Bush.


Just curious, but what has he done that's made him better than Bush?



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Beuli2 on 20 June 2011
mrstickball said:
Beuli2 said:
Maybe it's more that he is just much better than Bush.


Just curious, but what has he done that's made him better than Bush?

I can't say much because I don't talk about things I don't know much, but at least he isn't  bombing other countries for their ultimate secret bombs of atomic doom that actually don't exist.. Or something like that.



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Euphoria14 on 20 June 2011

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Naum on 20 June 2011

Those numbers doesn't really say much.

A dog would have gotten better numbers then Bush.



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mrstickball on 20 June 2011
Beuli2 said:
mrstickball said:
Beuli2 said:
Maybe it's more that he is just much better than Bush.


Just curious, but what has he done that's made him better than Bush?

I can't say much because I don't talk about things I don't know much, but at least he isn't  bombing other countries for their ultimate secret bombs of atomic doom that actually don't exist.. Or something like that.


....But he's bombing others because they are bad people and has done so without the approval of anyone in congress which is required by law. In the case of both of Bushes wars, he at least went to the legislature and had an up or down vote on the action(s) taken, so the war is as much a fault of Bush as it is the lawmakers that approved of the action in the first place.



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Lostplanet22 on 20 June 2011

Is their a reason for Britain to hate him?

I have still the same opinion for years now... Obama knows how to give good speeches but that is pretty much all, he is not a good leader but you kind of feel sorry for saying it him...

Also the health care bill issue made a lot of supporters overseas especially in Europe... People still don't understand why you could be against the bill and still see the image of a women walking in the street protesting while crying out loud;....'I don't want to pay for the failures of society'...



 

Kasz216 on 20 June 2011
mrstickball said:
Beuli2 said:
mrstickball said:
Beuli2 said:
Maybe it's more that he is just much better than Bush.


Just curious, but what has he done that's made him better than Bush?

I can't say much because I don't talk about things I don't know much, but at least he isn't  bombing other countries for their ultimate secret bombs of atomic doom that actually don't exist.. Or something like that.


....But he's bombing others because they are bad people and has done so without the approval of anyone in congress which is required by law. In the case of both of Bushes wars, he at least went to the legislature and had an up or down vote on the action(s) taken, so the war is as much a fault of Bush as it is the lawmakers that approved of the action in the first place.

It's true...

and also silly.

Because he'd totally get the votes in congress for the war anyway.

He's basically argueing for more executive control.... for the hell of it.

I mean, you could argue that originally he didn't want this to be labeled as third "american war" but the people are doing that anyway.

It doesn't help that the general Obama argument is that "If we stop helping them, Nato is too incompetant to handle the job themselves and is relying too much on America."