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fkusumot on 28 December 2007
X-Man said:
fkusumot said:
 

No, you were wrong. You thought that citing units of software sold could prove how much profit was made. You have failed to do that. Your logic was flawed. Stop making up numbers and tell us how much profit was made on the software.


I'm beginning to think you enjoy being wrong. It must be a fetish. I wasn't proving 'how much profit was made', I was proving that Sony has made more money on PS1 and PS2 software, then they have lost on PS3 hardware.

Again, i'm right and you're wrong.


How much has Sony lost on the PS3 software? How much has Sony made on PS1/PS2 software? I'd like to know what the numbers are. You can't prove that you're right until you have the numbers that prove you're right.

 



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leo-j on 28 December 2007

WellFKUMOST

according to sony they have sold over a billion software(ps2 alone) they make money of of that.

Im guessing they made much more money then they lost before. Now its different though.



 

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rocketpig on 28 December 2007
fkusumot said:
X-Man said:
fkusumot said:
 

No, you were wrong. You thought that citing units of software sold could prove how much profit was made. You have failed to do that. Your logic was flawed. Stop making up numbers and tell us how much profit was made on the software.


I'm beginning to think you enjoy being wrong. It must be a fetish. I wasn't proving 'how much profit was made', I was proving that Sony has made more money on PS1 and PS2 software, then they have lost on PS3 hardware.

Again, i'm right and you're wrong.


How much has Sony lost on the PS3 software? How much has Sony made on PS1/PS2 software? I'd like to know what the numbers are. You can't prove that you're right until you have the numbers that prove you're right.

 


Honestly, does it matter? To wipe out (or nearly wipe out) almost 10 years of profits in 24 months is disastrous.




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Mummelmann on 28 December 2007
rocketpig said:
Mummelmann said:
GhaudePhaede010 said:
Mummelmann said:
I don't see the problem with the OP; it's already been established by popular opinion on Vgchartz that the Wii will disintegrate the Ps3 and the 360 and that the only battle left was/is for 2nd place. So why should the Wii or DS be in the equation, unless you think it'll get 2nd or 3rd place?
Is it so horrible not to have the Wii mentioned in every single thread? Get over it, this is about second place, which according to most will never go to Nintendo.

His topic title says, "Sony have already won..."

Are you telling me that Sony "won" second place? Hahahaha. You either win, or you lose. You do not "win" second place. Maybe he should have made the topic title, "Sony will take second place this generation" and nobody would have had anything to say.


I thought people could read, his post is quite adament that this is about 2nd place. Do people not read the post and only the thread title? I don't.


No matter how you spin it, going from two generations of huge profit and 60-70% marketshare to struggling to get out of third place with price cuts and massive losses is not winning anything. In fact, most any businessman would call it a resounding failure.

I don't have anything against the success of the PS3 (couldn't really care less, own both systems) but saying it has "won" anything after coming from the market position it held for the past twelve years is ridiculous.


 I'm not the one who ever claimed it "won" anything, I just pointed out that the thread was clearly about 2nd place both because of the post itself and the fact that everyone has declared the Wii as the winner. How does no one understand that? :-O



rocketpig on 28 December 2007
Mummelmann said:

I'm not the one who ever claimed it "won" anything, I just pointed out that the thread was clearly about 2nd place both because of the post itself and the fact that everyone has declared the Wii as the winner. How does no one understand that? :-O


Sorry for quoting you on that one, Mummel. I wasn't directing my point at you, just pointing out how inane this thread is when you factor in where Sony has been the past decade vs. where they are now.




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fkusumot on 28 December 2007
leo-j said:
WellFKUMOST

according to sony they have sold over a billion software(ps2 alone) they make money of of that.

Im guessing they made much more money then they lost before. Now its different though.

 Joel, X-Man specifically said that:

"Sony has made more money on PS1 and PS2 software, then they have lost on PS3 hardware".

When I asked him to prove that statement he could not provide any numbers of how much money the PS1/PS2 software made or how much money the PS3 has lost. He could not back his statement up. What you wrote doesn't help to provide the specific information needed.



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Lingyis on 28 December 2007
HappySqurriel said:
X-Man said:

If the war is between PS3/360, quite frankly, Sony have already won.

Looking back, the PS2 got the bulk of its sales from Europe (Others), not NA or Japan. At the rate the PS3 is selling, it will overtake the 360 in 'Others' by mid-08.

Japan is by far the smallest region but it's certainly not insignificant. Between the PS3 and 360, it pretty much belongs to Sony. The coming of games such as Gran Turismo 5 and Final Fantasy XIII will only further escalate the situation.

That only leaves North America. Microsoft cannot win this war with strong NA sales alone. Unless they can turn this around, they're destined to come in third.

As I see it, 08 is the make or break year for both Microsoft and Sony. And to some extent, Nintendo.

 

If you reply then please give reasonable and logical answers. And for the love of God, no fanboys.


When you actually consider that gamers have limited time and money, and developers have limited resources, these systems are still in competition with the Wii (and the Nintendo DS and PSP to a lesser extent).

Beyond that, the reality is that Worldwide sales numbers really don't matter. The world is not a single market, and each market buys games that suit their tastes; to a certain extent Americans and the "Other" regions buy similar games but there are still a lot of games which are more targeted towards one of the regions over the other.

The PS3 (realistically) doesn't gain much from their lead in Japan because Japaneese centered game development will be focused on the Wii and Nintendo DS. The European Lead will be unimportant because it is negated by the lead Microsoft has in North America and is limited by the ammount of European game development.


 i agree thoroughly with your accessment.   the 360 is in the enviable position of being the console of choice for many american developers.



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fkusumot on 28 December 2007
rocketpig said:
fkusumot said:
X-Man said:
 

I'm beginning to think you enjoy being wrong. It must be a fetish. I wasn't proving 'how much profit was made', I was proving that Sony has made more money on PS1 and PS2 software, then they have lost on PS3 hardware.


How much has Sony lost on the PS3 software? How much has Sony made on PS1/PS2 software? I'd like to know what the numbers are. You can't prove that you're right until you have the numbers that prove you're right.


Honestly, does it matter? To wipe out (or nearly wipe out) almost 10 years of profits in 24 months is disastrous.


It doesn't matter so much that X-Man cannot prove that he is right. I would be interested to know how much the PS3 has lost. It would also be interesting to know how much Sony made on PS1/PS2 software. I'm sure you would be interested to know what those numbers are too.



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rocketpig on 28 December 2007
fkusumot said:

It doesn't matter so much that X-Man cannot prove that he is right. I would be interested to know how much the PS3 has lost. It would also be interesting to know how much Sony made on PS1/PS2 software. I'm sure you would be interested to know what those numbers are too.


I would like to know. What I do know is that the PS3 must be losing money by the freighter load if Sony is still posting those kinds of losses while the PS2 is definitely turning a profit and while the PSP seems to be doing rather well for itself. 




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fkusumot on 28 December 2007
rocketpig said:
fkusumot said:

It doesn't matter so much that X-Man cannot prove that he is right. I would be interested to know how much the PS3 has lost. It would also be interesting to know how much Sony made on PS1/PS2 software. I'm sure you would be interested to know what those numbers are too.


I would like to know. What I do know is that the PS3 must be losing money by the freighter load if Sony is still posting those kinds of losses while the PS2 is definitely turning a profit and while the PSP seems to be doing rather well for itself.


 Yes. The loss that they're showing must be offset to some extent by profits from the PS2 and PSP. Because of that the actual loss from the PS3 itself would reasonably be inferred to be more than the operating loss that they posted. Getting a firm grip on the numbers and a better picture of the overall economics of the situation would be fascinating.



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