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Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
thranx said:
Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
FreeTalkLive said:

The US federal government has no money.  In has much less than no money as it is in the hole by trillions of dollars and gets over a trillion more in the whole every year.  The majority of the US federal budget is waste and misuse of government.  All government funding of arts programs has to be cut right now.  There is no other option.  Either destroy the US by doing things like this or try to save the US by cutting funding in half.


Frankly, the person at the NEA that thought funding videogames made sense needs to be fired because they clearly have zero understanding of reality.

That guy trying to defend this was just trying to get on TV, something he clearly isn't meant to be on with his speaking abilities.

good job. i find it shocking that most people dont realize how dire the US financial debt crisis is. its like they dont care, that we wont have a country in 50 years

I find it shocking that people think cutting a program that is 0.0001% of our federal budget is going to help us get out of debt. 

every bit adds up. who's saying we should only cut this?

thats what got us into this mess, people saying, oh its only several million, dont worry our debt is 14 trillion, thats nothing, people wont even notice. we have to cut everything

Actually no we dont have to cut everything,  we need to get rid of the Bush Tax cuts,  get rid of tax cuts for multi billion dollar corporations, and cut military spending.  That would put us back to having a surplus like we had in the 90s.  But the worst thing to do in a recession is cut spending, it just widens the hole.

we all saw how the massive amounts of spending by the gov has gotten us out of this mess....oh wait it didn't. The worst thing to do in a recession is to take money out of those that create more wealth through high taxes. We are seeing the results of this now.

but you know we must punish the people who actually create jobs, they are too rich and must be punished for being so. 

But they arent creating jobs, at least not in this country, ever since we have started giving them more money the unemployement rate has gone up.  So how does that fix the problem genius?

We are not giving them money, they are keeping the money they have earned through hardwork. Maybe that is the problme with the gov/people now a days, they see everything as theirs. Its a given, no need to earn anything. Taxes for everyone is too high. We need to get back to the basics. Gov should provide Safety from each other through a police force, safety from other nations through the armed forces, and they should educaet those under 18. Other than the government needs to get its hands out of our lives and let us live. They should not be running our retirement, healthcare, arts, and what ever else they have their hands in. They should dictate the standards that private companies use to run those kind of programs. The US government has shown itself to be pretty in effiecient in many things so they should only control what they must-our safety.



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Vetteman94 said:
SuperAnthony64 said:
Vetteman94 said:
SuperAnthony64 said:
Vetteman94 said:
SuperAnthony64 said:

Giving someone money to further their education is not the same as someone making a video game.  We need smarts not video games.

The video games that would be made would be used to further others education.  So the video games would help make people smarter.  

Thats what teachers are for.

And all Teachers need teaching aids

No they dont. What kind of school did you go to? Now you want to dump more money into teaching? Lets make the teachers job easier by giving kids a handhelp to learn while they surf the web on the computer. Thats that persons job not the electronic device with math on it.

So teachers dont need teaching aids of any kind now?  So Books and computers can be cut from educational spending and leave it all up to the teachers now.  

As for the schools I was in, I went to Public schooling and then a paid University. Where I got my Bachelors degree in Engineering.  


where do video games belong in this? you are taking everything I say and spinning the hell out of it.



thranx said:
Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
FreeTalkLive said:

The US federal government has no money.  In has much less than no money as it is in the hole by trillions of dollars and gets over a trillion more in the whole every year.  The majority of the US federal budget is waste and misuse of government.  All government funding of arts programs has to be cut right now.  There is no other option.  Either destroy the US by doing things like this or try to save the US by cutting funding in half.


Frankly, the person at the NEA that thought funding videogames made sense needs to be fired because they clearly have zero understanding of reality.

That guy trying to defend this was just trying to get on TV, something he clearly isn't meant to be on with his speaking abilities.

good job. i find it shocking that most people dont realize how dire the US financial debt crisis is. its like they dont care, that we wont have a country in 50 years

I find it shocking that people think cutting a program that is 0.0001% of our federal budget is going to help us get out of debt. 

every bit adds up. who's saying we should only cut this?

thats what got us into this mess, people saying, oh its only several million, dont worry our debt is 14 trillion, thats nothing, people wont even notice. we have to cut everything

Actually no we dont have to cut everything,  we need to get rid of the Bush Tax cuts,  get rid of tax cuts for multi billion dollar corporations, and cut military spending.  That would put us back to having a surplus like we had in the 90s.  But the worst thing to do in a recession is cut spending, it just widens the hole.

we all saw how the massive amounts of spending by the gov has gotten us out of this mess....oh wait it didn't. The worst thing to do in a recession is to take money out of those that create more wealth through high taxes. We are seeing the results of this now.

It DOES NOT help a recession if you take fund away from where they cycle through the economy, to then put it in hands of individuals who will hoard it, put it paper assets to buy derivatives, or ship the money to fund economic development in China or India.  What we see now is that the Bush tax cuts failed to maintain economic growth, and giving a ton of money to the top X% to play games with credit default swaps and other paper assets does nothing to sustain the economy.  If the "wealth" created are paper derivatives, this is USELESS for the economy.  You can grow an economy playing around with paper products that are ideally meant to be in the margin, and used to hedge against negative potential outcomes to prevent getting wiped out, and also used to provide stability in prices so those who produce can predict future production needs.  Throw a lot of instability in the mix, and decide your way to maximize profits is to ship jobs overseas and explain how that is supposed to fix the economy.  How does reducing tax rates to 0% when a nation lays in shambles via a race to the bottom going to fix any deficit at all or have any REAL wealth?



No, we are not GIVING them money. We are letting them keep more of the money that they earned. We were also told by the republican majority that this would create jobs. Instead, CEO and overhead has reached pre-recession levels, and there are no more jobs than before.



richardhutnik said:
thranx said:
Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
FreeTalkLive said:

The US federal government has no money.  In has much less than no money as it is in the hole by trillions of dollars and gets over a trillion more in the whole every year.  The majority of the US federal budget is waste and misuse of government.  All government funding of arts programs has to be cut right now.  There is no other option.  Either destroy the US by doing things like this or try to save the US by cutting funding in half.


Frankly, the person at the NEA that thought funding videogames made sense needs to be fired because they clearly have zero understanding of reality.

That guy trying to defend this was just trying to get on TV, something he clearly isn't meant to be on with his speaking abilities.

good job. i find it shocking that most people dont realize how dire the US financial debt crisis is. its like they dont care, that we wont have a country in 50 years

I find it shocking that people think cutting a program that is 0.0001% of our federal budget is going to help us get out of debt. 

every bit adds up. who's saying we should only cut this?

thats what got us into this mess, people saying, oh its only several million, dont worry our debt is 14 trillion, thats nothing, people wont even notice. we have to cut everything

Actually no we dont have to cut everything,  we need to get rid of the Bush Tax cuts,  get rid of tax cuts for multi billion dollar corporations, and cut military spending.  That would put us back to having a surplus like we had in the 90s.  But the worst thing to do in a recession is cut spending, it just widens the hole.

we all saw how the massive amounts of spending by the gov has gotten us out of this mess....oh wait it didn't. The worst thing to do in a recession is to take money out of those that create more wealth through high taxes. We are seeing the results of this now.

It DOES NOT help a recession if you take fund away from where they cycle through the economy, to then put it in hands of individuals who will hoard it, put it paper assets to buy derivatives, or ship the money to fund economic development in China or India.  What we see now is that the Bush tax cuts failed to maintain economic growth, and giving a ton of money to the top X% to play games with credit default swaps and other paper assets does nothing to sustain the economy.  If the "wealth" created are paper derivatives, this is USELESS for the economy.  You can grow an economy playing around with paper products that are ideally meant to be in the margin, and used to hedge against negative potential outcomes to prevent getting wiped out, and also used to provide stability in prices so those who produce can predict future production needs.  Throw a lot of instability in the mix, and decide your way to maximize profits is to ship jobs overseas and explain how that is supposed to fix the economy.  How does reducing tax rates to 0% when a nation lays in shambles via a race to the bottom going to fix any deficit at all or have any REAL wealth?

Fail post of the year! Could you add a few more, failed Liberal talking points in there? I think you missed a few. Look, facts don't lie, when the nations taxes rise, the GDP falls, when the tax rates are cut, the GDP raises. We've seen this time and time again. At this point, you are right, you can't cut taxes, all the liberal, vote purchasing, welfare programs have put us so far into debt that we have no hope of getting out unless we cut spending first. If a CEO ran his company's budget like Obama is "running" ours, he would be thrown in jail to rot for the rest of his days. Why aren't we doing this to Obama and his clowns? The government produces waste, whearas the private sector produces jobs and wealth. You wanna fix this economy? Cut government programs, get the government out of welfare, and put that into the hands of the churches and citizens. It's not rocket science.



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Tony_Stark said:
richardhutnik said:
thranx said:
Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
Vetteman94 said:
osamanobama said:
FreeTalkLive said:

The US federal government has no money.  In has much less than no money as it is in the hole by trillions of dollars and gets over a trillion more in the whole every year.  The majority of the US federal budget is waste and misuse of government.  All government funding of arts programs has to be cut right now.  There is no other option.  Either destroy the US by doing things like this or try to save the US by cutting funding in half.


Frankly, the person at the NEA that thought funding videogames made sense needs to be fired because they clearly have zero understanding of reality.

That guy trying to defend this was just trying to get on TV, something he clearly isn't meant to be on with his speaking abilities.

good job. i find it shocking that most people dont realize how dire the US financial debt crisis is. its like they dont care, that we wont have a country in 50 years

I find it shocking that people think cutting a program that is 0.0001% of our federal budget is going to help us get out of debt. 

every bit adds up. who's saying we should only cut this?

thats what got us into this mess, people saying, oh its only several million, dont worry our debt is 14 trillion, thats nothing, people wont even notice. we have to cut everything

Actually no we dont have to cut everything,  we need to get rid of the Bush Tax cuts,  get rid of tax cuts for multi billion dollar corporations, and cut military spending.  That would put us back to having a surplus like we had in the 90s.  But the worst thing to do in a recession is cut spending, it just widens the hole.

we all saw how the massive amounts of spending by the gov has gotten us out of this mess....oh wait it didn't. The worst thing to do in a recession is to take money out of those that create more wealth through high taxes. We are seeing the results of this now.

It DOES NOT help a recession if you take fund away from where they cycle through the economy, to then put it in hands of individuals who will hoard it, put it paper assets to buy derivatives, or ship the money to fund economic development in China or India.  What we see now is that the Bush tax cuts failed to maintain economic growth, and giving a ton of money to the top X% to play games with credit default swaps and other paper assets does nothing to sustain the economy.  If the "wealth" created are paper derivatives, this is USELESS for the economy.  You can grow an economy playing around with paper products that are ideally meant to be in the margin, and used to hedge against negative potential outcomes to prevent getting wiped out, and also used to provide stability in prices so those who produce can predict future production needs.  Throw a lot of instability in the mix, and decide your way to maximize profits is to ship jobs overseas and explain how that is supposed to fix the economy.  How does reducing tax rates to 0% when a nation lays in shambles via a race to the bottom going to fix any deficit at all or have any REAL wealth?

Fail post of the year! Could you add a few more, failed Liberal talking points in there? I think you missed a few. Look, facts don't lie, when the nations taxes rise, the GDP falls, when the tax rates are cut, the GDP raises. We've seen this time and time again. At this point, you are right, you can't cut taxes, all the liberal, vote purchasing, welfare programs have put us so far into debt that we have no hope of getting out unless we cut spending first. If a CEO ran his company's budget like Obama is "running" ours, he would be thrown in jail to rot for the rest of his days. Why aren't we doing this to Obama and his clowns? The government produces waste, whearas the private sector produces jobs and wealth. You wanna fix this economy? Cut government programs, get the government out of welfare, and put that into the hands of the churches and citizens. It's not rocket science.


i was wondering when you were going to post in here.

also another problem we have is crony capitalism. which is government being in bed with big business.

there is a difference between being pro big business and being pro-free market.

goverment has gotten to envolved with business, chosing winners and losers. they have created this sense of business being to big to fail, which isnt capitalism. it creates an environment of where businesses, take incredibly stupid risks, make terrible decisions that only benefit themselves, all because they no there will be no consequences for it. this is because of goverment involvement. 

like when they pretty much forced banks to give loans to everyone becuase its a right to own a home, and we just cant possibly say no, to someone who handles their money as good as... well the goverment.

also what with people blaming these bush tax cuts, what bush tax cuts, was the democrats having super majorities in both houses and control of the white house not enough, then voting on tax rates not enough. couldnt even pass a budget.



Vetteman94 said:
FreeTalkLive said:

The US federal government has no money.  In has much less than no money as it is in the hole by trillions of dollars and gets over a trillion more in the whole every year.  The majority of the US federal budget is waste and misuse of government.  All government funding of arts programs has to be cut right now.  There is no other option.  Either destroy the US by doing things like this or try to save the US by cutting funding in half.

You dont fix the budget of a country by cutting programs that are 0.0001% of the federal budget.  

You fix it by cutting unneeded, illegal, unused, useless, and unpopular programs along with everything else you can possibly cut until the budget is not only balanced, but actually in the black.  So yes, in this case, you do.





 

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Vetteman94 said:
 

Actually no we dont have to cut everything,  we need to get rid of the Bush Tax cuts,  get rid of tax cuts for multi billion dollar corporations, and cut military spending.  That would put us back to having a surplus like we had in the 90s.  But the worst thing to do in a recession is cut spending, it just widens the hole.

I don't know from which biased source you get your news but the federal government didn't have a surplus in the 90s.  If you ignore social security, medicaid, medicare, congressional pensions and military pensions, your point would be correct but then you are just living in a fantasy land where you pick and choice which parts of reality to believe in.

Also, when you say cutting the tax cuts, you are wording it in such a way that it almost becomes propaganda.  I’m not saying that’s bad.  You should try to word things in ways that favor your point, but I can clearly tell you are doing so.  I understand you are talking about greatly increasing income taxes for all Americans that make over $15,000 a year.  Republicans would never support that and Obama campaigned against it.  It was one of his key issues.  He said he would reduce taxes for the middle class.  So calling for massive tax increases for the middle class is more out of the norm than someone calling for the end of NEA although, admittedly, they are both very unlikely to happen.

As for taxes on companies, the US tents to tax companies far more than is common in Europe.  In Europe and much of the world, a great deal of business taxes come in the form of a VAT tax which is much easier to pass on to consumers than a corporate income tax.  If you want to help the US economy, reduce business taxes and simplify the tax code, don't make it worse.



 

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