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HappySqurriel said:

When the government gives tax credits or subsidies to a particular industry what they’re really doing is acknowledging that the business environment they have built within their country is having a punitive effect on business; and correcting this for a handful of well-connected businesses or industries. It would make far more sense to eliminate these and to give everyone a lower tax rate, and to stop playing favourites; but that will probably never happen in the United States


good job, u win the internetz

oops: i edited "get job"



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Galaki said:
osamanobama said:
Galaki said:
osamanobama said:
Galaki said:

When I watch Fox News. I have the urge to punch someone. So, for the sake of someone getting hurt, I'd rather not watch.

so you say false and innaccurate things about them

What I said up there is 100% truth.

If you would of watched the video ou would see that the comic is wrong. You probably have of some Fox News bias glasses on so you wouldnt see it any on the count of you might "hurt" someone.



richardhutnik said:
yo_john117 said:

I pretty much agree with the bald guy...the US government does need to stop wasting money. And I don't think video games should get any federal funding.

How about funding for schools to get videogames in schools to educate kids?  Figures that Fox would spin it as it did.


Theres already educational games out there already that didnt need a grant. Why should tax payer dollars go to funding teching games? We have teachers that do this. So lets make their job easier by giving every child a videogame to learn long division?



osamanobama said:
Galaki said:
osamanobama said:
Galaki said:
osamanobama said:

so you didnt watch the video?

and you dont watch fox news.

When I watch Fox News. I have the urge to punch someone. So, for the sake of someone getting hurt, I'd rather not watch.

so you dont pay attention then, made evident by the comic strip

No. I just assume you're wrong for not agreeing with me.

Since I am always right. Therefore, you are wrong.

well, your comic strip was like the exact opposite of what happened in the video, i have to assume that

A) you didnt watch the video

B) dont pay attention

c) have a huge bias against FOX news, just like all the writers on this site, so you say false and innaccurate things about them

actually it's exactly the same as the comic strip.

They mis-represent what the bill is for, I mean, the announcer even says "to fund educational games" and is showing clips of MW. Then all the nerd guy gets to say is, you're misrepresenting it, it's actually *this. And then they close with the bald guy spouting line rhetoric #3, "stop spending all our money"....

HOWEVER, the national endowment for the arts is still going to be here. It's still going to give money away to art, it's just that if the bill doesn't pass, video games won't get any consideration.

So Fox news took a report that was about whether video games should be allowed to compete for grants that already exist, and turned it into "government wants to spend our money on Modern Warfare and Grand Theft Auto".



richardhutnik said:
HappySqurriel said:

When the government gives tax credits or subsidies to a particular industry what they’re really doing is acknowledging that the business environment they have built within their country is having a punitive effect on business; and correcting this for a handful of well-connected businesses or industries. It would make far more sense to eliminate these and to give everyone a lower tax rate, and to stop playing favourites; but that will probably never happen in the United States

And this is arguably worse than a situation where the NEA gives out small grants to videogame makers to produce content for schools that could prove to more effective at educating kids.  Of course, one can end up tweaking the systems so states and local school districts have greater say into what is funded, and have it so the makers can either compete for the funds or they can collectively pool funds.  The main argument involving the NEA here is that it would be beneficial to have market input into what is going on, rather than merely some beurocrats picking what should be used.  The bringing in Call of Duty, Mario, and other videogames that have NOTHING to do with NEA funding, turns what should be informational, into an agenda piece.  And to say, "Well Fox and Friends" isn't under Fox news department is nonsense, because the Fox News network is supposed to be a NEWS network.  In short, Fox News does an incredible injustice to actually attempting to provide useful information to decide, and instead, engages in spin that shows a near total breach of professionalism.  And, if you can't see this here, then you have a pro-Fox News bias.  Note: You here is meant as a "if the shoe fits..." and isn't directed, without distinction, at HappySquirrel.


As I said earlier, it actually makes sense for schools to stop wasting money and to use that "saved" money to spend on infastructure; which could include computers and educational videogames.

As a simple demonstration of how meaningful this would be ... New York city has 700 teachers who are being paid not to teach because of how awful these teachers are. As a rough estimate, salary and benefits included this works out to being roughly $50 to $100 Million in waste every year. If you assume $2,500 for the capital costs of a computer including all software, these 700 teachers translate into 20,000 to 40,000 computers that could be put into schools every year; if you assume that each computer has a 5 year life, this means that the school board is paying for 700 shitty teachers rather than 100,000 to 200,000 computers (1 computer for every 5 to 10 students).



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HappySqurriel said:
richardhutnik said:
HappySqurriel said:

When the government gives tax credits or subsidies to a particular industry what they’re really doing is acknowledging that the business environment they have built within their country is having a punitive effect on business; and correcting this for a handful of well-connected businesses or industries. It would make far more sense to eliminate these and to give everyone a lower tax rate, and to stop playing favourites; but that will probably never happen in the United States

And this is arguably worse than a situation where the NEA gives out small grants to videogame makers to produce content for schools that could prove to more effective at educating kids.  Of course, one can end up tweaking the systems so states and local school districts have greater say into what is funded, and have it so the makers can either compete for the funds or they can collectively pool funds.  The main argument involving the NEA here is that it would be beneficial to have market input into what is going on, rather than merely some beurocrats picking what should be used.  The bringing in Call of Duty, Mario, and other videogames that have NOTHING to do with NEA funding, turns what should be informational, into an agenda piece.  And to say, "Well Fox and Friends" isn't under Fox news department is nonsense, because the Fox News network is supposed to be a NEWS network.  In short, Fox News does an incredible injustice to actually attempting to provide useful information to decide, and instead, engages in spin that shows a near total breach of professionalism.  And, if you can't see this here, then you have a pro-Fox News bias.  Note: You here is meant as a "if the shoe fits..." and isn't directed, without distinction, at HappySquirrel.


As I said earlier, it actually makes sense for schools to stop wasting money and to use that "saved" money to spend on infastructure; which could include computers and educational videogames.

As a simple demonstration of how meaningful this would be ... New York city has 700 teachers who are being paid not to teach because of how awful these teachers are. As a rough estimate, salary and benefits included this works out to being roughly $50 to $100 Million in waste every year. If you assume $2,500 for the capital costs of a computer including all software, these 700 teachers translate into 20,000 to 40,000 computers that could be put into schools every year; if you assume that each computer has a 5 year life, this means that the school board is paying for 700 shitty teachers rather than 100,000 to 200,000 computers (1 computer for every 5 to 10 students).

that's a good example, but how does that relate to why video games shouldn't be considered among the recipients for NEA grants?



theprof00 said:
osamanobama said:
Galaki said:
osamanobama said:
Galaki said:
osamanobama said:

so you didnt watch the video?

and you dont watch fox news.

When I watch Fox News. I have the urge to punch someone. So, for the sake of someone getting hurt, I'd rather not watch.

so you dont pay attention then, made evident by the comic strip

No. I just assume you're wrong for not agreeing with me.

Since I am always right. Therefore, you are wrong.

well, your comic strip was like the exact opposite of what happened in the video, i have to assume that

A) you didnt watch the video

B) dont pay attention

c) have a huge bias against FOX news, just like all the writers on this site, so you say false and innaccurate things about them

actually it's exactly the same as the comic strip.

They mis-represent what the bill is for, I mean, the announcer even says "to fund educational games" and is showing clips of MW. Then all the nerd guy gets to say is, you're misrepresenting it, it's actually *this. And then they close with the bald guy spouting line rhetoric #3, "stop spending all our money"....

HOWEVER, the national endowment for the arts is still going to be here. It's still going to give money away to art, it's just that if the bill doesn't pass, video games won't get any consideration.

So Fox news took a report that was about whether video games should be allowed to compete for grants that already exist, and turned it into "government wants to spend our money on Modern Warfare and Grand Theft Auto".

They never once said gta and cod was getting this. Did you watch the video and hear what you wantd to hear? He even asked who will be benefitting from this.

They even say "art games". If video games are codidered "art" then whats stopping these devs for getting this grant for greating an artsy educational COD like game for the masses? Why should tax payers dollars go to entertainment purposes like that? Cause its art?



that's a waste of taxpayer money if you ask me. It really doesn't make any sense.



SuperAnthony64 said:

They never once said gta and cod was getting this. Did you watch the video and hear what you wantd to hear? He even asked who will be benefitting from this.

They even say "art games". If video games are codidered "art" then whats stopping these devs for getting this grant for greating an artsy educational COD like game for the masses? Why should tax payers dollars go to entertainment purposes like that? Cause its art?

first line in the video, "should the videogame call of duty get federal funding"



theprof00 said:
SuperAnthony64 said:

They never once said gta and cod was getting this. Did you watch the video and hear what you wantd to hear? He even asked who will be benefitting from this.

They even say "art games". If video games are codidered "art" then whats stopping these devs for getting this grant for greating an artsy educational COD like game for the masses? Why should tax payers dollars go to entertainment purposes like that? Cause its art?

first line in the video, "should the videogame call of duty get federal funding"

and should it?

it can easily apply for the grant and get it. why wouldnt call of duty be art, while some other game is