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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
Your born that way 250 53.19%
 
no opinion 36 7.66%
 
other---for anything I missed 62 13.19%
 
Total:468
sapphi_snake on 09 June 2011
DélioPT said:

No.

I don`t think you realized that not doing anything it`s also doing something. Talking and helping is one way, but so is preventing them from actively sinning.
Still, you do not realize there`s a difference between saying one`s actions or this way or the other and then making judgments on the person themselves. When someone goes silent on a pole - when you know it`s against God what is trying to be passed - you are actively putting God aside to let sin have space in someone`s lives. That`s accepting sin to be. If you are a christian you know this part "they will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

I always try not to judge people for what they do, but if i have a say in some shape or form, i will and have to, make God prevail.

Seems to me like you disagree with the concepts of free will and separation of Church and State. You really should learn to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.



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Seece on 09 June 2011

I love these topics, great opportunity to get all the homophobes banned



 

sapphi_snake on 09 June 2011
DélioPT said:

To be honest, neither.
The only thing i could appeal to or advice is abstinence. I hope why you understand why i am saying this, even if you don`t agree.

Yes, I'm sure that leading a lonely miserable life, repressing and hating a natural part of himself because some consider it a flaw (an imaginary one at that) is the best way to go.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Seece on 09 June 2011
DélioPT said:
TruckOSaurus said:
This religion talk is leading nowhere so I'll state the situation another way.

What do you think is better?

Me living with my boyfriend, making each other happy, giving both of us a nice disposition in day to day life

OR

Me marrying a woman, forcing myself to have sex with her (the least the better), making me being miserable because I get no pleasure whatsoever in the relationship, being unfair to her because her husband doesn't have any desire for her, making her bitter and frustrated?

To be honest, neither.
The only thing i could appeal to or advice is abstinence. I hope why you understand why i am saying this, even if you don`t agree.

Course he doesn't fucking agree.

Ignore this guy Truck, go have hot sweaty sex with your bf.



 

Chrizum on 09 June 2011
DélioPT said:
Chrizum said:
 

It seems you don't understand. Let me explain myself in simple terms:

1) Yes, we christians should help people not go to hell and that which we can do to make other follow His path
2) Helping means: talking to them, discussing with people, keeping the conversation going
3) It does NOT mean denying people who we think will go to hell if they don't change their ways rights good christians DO have. That's acting upon judgement, which is what only God can do, not men
4) This means we as christians should talk to homosexual men, trying to explain what they are doing and how they can help themselves by following Jezus
5) And NOT try to stop them from doing what they do. That is actively judging which is what only God can do
6) I'm not doing the same thing I'm accusing you of, because this is a conversation, a discussion, which I encourage. I will never actively try to stop you from what you are doing.

In short: men do not have the power to uphold any law denying other people rights, because that is walking in the shoes of God. We cannot judge about people, only God can.

Agreed or not?

No.

I don`t think you realized that not doing anything it`s also doing something. Talking and helping is one way, but so is preventing them from actively sinning.
Still, you do not realize there`s a difference between saying one`s actions or this way or the other and then making judgments on the person themselves. When someone goes silent on a pole - when you know it`s against God what is trying to be passed - you are actively putting God aside to let sin have space in someone`s lives. That`s accepting sin to be. If you are a christian you know this part "they will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

I always try not to judge people for what they do, but if i have a say in some shape or form, i will and have to, make God prevail.

Then I can't help you. You are a disgrace to humanity and the christian believe and I sincerely hope but doubt you will change your ways sooner rather than later.



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TruckOSaurus on 09 June 2011
Seece said:
DélioPT said:
TruckOSaurus said:
This religion talk is leading nowhere so I'll state the situation another way.

What do you think is better?

Me living with my boyfriend, making each other happy, giving both of us a nice disposition in day to day life

OR

Me marrying a woman, forcing myself to have sex with her (the least the better), making me being miserable because I get no pleasure whatsoever in the relationship, being unfair to her because her husband doesn't have any desire for her, making her bitter and frustrated?

To be honest, neither.
The only thing i could appeal to or advice is abstinence. I hope why you understand why i am saying this, even if you don`t agree.

Course he doesn't fucking agree.

Ignore this guy Truck, go have hot sweaty sex with your bf.

I think I'll do that and enjoy every second of it. It's the best reply I can give him.



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sad.man.loves.vgc on 09 June 2011
DélioPT said:
TruckOSaurus said:
This religion talk is leading nowhere so I'll state the situation another way.

What do you think is better?

Me living with my boyfriend, making each other happy, giving both of us a nice disposition in day to day life

OR

Me marrying a woman, forcing myself to have sex with her (the least the better), making me being miserable because I get no pleasure whatsoever in the relationship, being unfair to her because her husband doesn't have any desire for her, making her bitter and frustrated?

To be honest, neither.
The only thing i could appeal to or advice is abstinence. I hope why you understand why i am saying this, even if you don`t agree.

I don't know why I feel like people are giving you a harder time than you deserve..  or probably you deserve it but anyway.... since you are being somehow nice compared to the people I know, I am asking you nicely to reconsider.

Abstinence is your answer for the gay population, really?



DélioPT on 09 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

No, you made sense because you said something that for once was focused.
I already told you once and will tell you again: don`t make assumptions on someone you don`t know. If you can`t separate being against something from hating it, other people can.

Actually, my actions do prove that. And associating me with white supremacists is just unbelievable!

What other people? I don't see anyone agreeing with you.

I was speaking of myself and other posters that agree that the act of homosexuality is a sin but have nothing against gay people, and of course, the world outside this forum.



DélioPT on 09 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

No.

I don`t think you realized that not doing anything it`s also doing something. Talking and helping is one way, but so is preventing them from actively sinning.
Still, you do not realize there`s a difference between saying one`s actions or this way or the other and then making judgments on the person themselves. When someone goes silent on a pole - when you know it`s against God what is trying to be passed - you are actively putting God aside to let sin have space in someone`s lives. That`s accepting sin to be. If you are a christian you know this part "they will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

I always try not to judge people for what they do, but if i have a say in some shape or form, i will and have to, make God prevail.

Seems to me like you disagree with the concepts of free will and separation of Church and State. You really should learn to MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.

You are neglecting the aspect that being religious will affect every single aspect of a person`s life and their decisions.



DélioPT on 09 June 2011
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

To be honest, neither.
The only thing i could appeal to or advice is abstinence. I hope why you understand why i am saying this, even if you don`t agree.

Yes, I'm sure that leading a lonely miserable life, repressing and hating a natural part of himself because some consider it a flaw (an imaginary one at that) is the best way to go.

Lonely? Maybe. Not every person finds a companion. Concluding that someone would hate a part of one`s self is really pushing it.