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being gay a choice vs born that way.

It's a lifestyle choice 120 25.53%
 
Your born that way 250 53.19%
 
no opinion 36 7.66%
 
other---for anything I missed 62 13.19%
 
Total:468
coolbeans said:

Calls homosexuality an abomination in the Book of Leviticus.  I may be misinterpretting what I've bolded, since I only saw that post and decided to answer.


Please.  Leviticus is the biggest pile of nonsensical, ignored garbage ever written.  No one follows anything from Leviticus, EXCEPT they like to quote the one, very often mistranslated verse that may or not be about male/male sex.  (And says nothing about lesbians, by the way.)

Have you ever actually READ Leviticus?  



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

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osamanobama said:


not necassarly, i cant marry a woman that is already married.

also why stop there i cant marry an animal, i cant marry 12 people. i cant marry a man.

if we are "denying" people rights, then arent we also denying poeple the right to marry how ever many people they want, whatever they want.

people who want to marry a dead person (hey they could have given written consent before hand)

The Old Testament says polygamy is fine.  And Jesus specifically says in Matthew 19 that he is not here to abolish the Old Testament - - that it still counts.  The story in Matthew 22 about a married man dying childless supports the idea that Jesus said polygamy was ok, at least under certain conditions.  If all parties are consenting, there's no reason they can't marry.

Dead people and animals can't give consent.

Nice try, though.  



Can't we all just get along and play our games in peace?

DélioPT said:


Voting for a law that hurts gays = forcing your views on them.
Finally, you make sense with your words. First of all, i, like anyone else, vote according to what they believe. Second, you can`t please everyone. Doesn`t matter the subject, you`ll, in the way you put things, always force something on someone.
Third, i already talked about that here. Yes, i would vote against in any referendum. Does it hurt people? I know it does but i am sorry, i can`t and won`t be any other way. But i made it clear that i have nothing against anyone.

Somehow you keep mixing me with people that hate when you accuse me of having a hateful speach, when i made it clear that it`s not that case. And you can realise how it`s not the case if you remember some quotes i borrowed from you before.

What`s the white supremacy got to do with me?

I've been making sense all this time, but you seem to have a problem reading.

As for the bolded, sorry, you are a bigot. You can claim not to hate gays, but your actions prove otherwise.



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osamanobama said:


not necassarly, i cant marry a woman that is already married. (1)

also why stop there i cant marry an animal, i cant marry 12 people. i cant marry a man. (2)

if we are "denying" people rights, then arent we also denying poeple the right to marry how ever many people they want, whatever they want.

people who want to marry a dead person (hey they could have given written consent before hand) (3)

(1) - She can divorce, and you can get married (if for some reason she wants to marry you).

(2) - Faulty analogies.

(3) - Faulty analogies again.

I assume "consent" is not something you've ever heard of, no?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Chrizum said:

It seems you don't understand. Let me explain myself in simple terms:

1) Yes, we christians should help people not go to hell and that which we can do to make other follow His path
2) Helping means: talking to them, discussing with people, keeping the conversation going
3) It does NOT mean denying people who we think will go to hell if they don't change their ways rights good christians DO have. That's acting upon judgement, which is what only God can do, not men
4) This means we as christians should talk to homosexual men, trying to explain what they are doing and how they can help themselves by following Jezus
5) And NOT try to stop them from doing what they do. That is actively judging which is what only God can do
6) I'm not doing the same thing I'm accusing you of, because this is a conversation, a discussion, which I encourage. I will never actively try to stop you from what you are doing.

In short: men do not have the power to uphold any law denying other people rights, because that is walking in the shoes of God. We cannot judge about people, only God can.

Agreed or not?

No.

I don`t think you realized that not doing anything it`s also doing something. Talking and helping is one way, but so is preventing them from actively sinning.
Still, you do not realize there`s a difference between saying one`s actions or this way or the other and then making judgments on the person themselves. When someone goes silent on a pole - when you know it`s against God what is trying to be passed - you are actively putting God aside to let sin have space in someone`s lives. That`s accepting sin to be. If you are a christian you know this part "they will be done on earth as it is in heaven".

I always try not to judge people for what they do, but if i have a say in some shape or form, i will and have to, make God prevail.



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sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:


Voting for a law that hurts gays = forcing your views on them.
Finally, you make sense with your words. First of all, i, like anyone else, vote according to what they believe. Second, you can`t please everyone. Doesn`t matter the subject, you`ll, in the way you put things, always force something on someone.
Third, i already talked about that here. Yes, i would vote against in any referendum. Does it hurt people? I know it does but i am sorry, i can`t and won`t be any other way. But i made it clear that i have nothing against anyone.

Somehow you keep mixing me with people that hate when you accuse me of having a hateful speach, when i made it clear that it`s not that case. And you can realise how it`s not the case if you remember some quotes i borrowed from you before.

What`s the white supremacy got to do with me?

I've been making sense all this time, but you seem to have a problem reading.

As for the bolded, sorry, you are a bigot. You can claim not to hate gays, but your actions prove otherwise.

No, you made sense because you said something that for once was focused.
I already told you once and will tell you again: don`t make assumptions on someone you don`t know. If you can`t separate being against something from hating it, other people can.

Actually, my actions do prove that. And associating me with white supremacists is just unbelievable!




TruckOSaurus said:
This religion talk is leading nowhere so I'll state the situation another way.

What do you think is better?

Me living with my boyfriend, making each other happy, giving both of us a nice disposition in day to day life

OR

Me marrying a woman, forcing myself to have sex with her (the least the better), making me being miserable because I get no pleasure whatsoever in the relationship, being unfair to her because her husband doesn't have any desire for her, making her bitter and frustrated?

To be honest, neither.
The only thing i could appeal to or advice is abstinence. I hope why you understand why i am saying this, even if you don`t agree.




Being homosexual is a defect but nothing to discriminate about. It's a mental problem that can be helped at earlier stages.

In all seriousness all people have gay tendencies at some point. One can also have ADHD in their childhood but still manage to control it as they age and mature.



Oh My God!

i feel so sick, sad and disappointed by people only reading soem answer in thi stopic, for my well being I have to stop checking.

Some people should be jailed just cause of their thoughts.

I mean we live in a world constantly at war, killing people not caring about innocent or helpless but that it is fine.
A video game where your scope is to kill is absolutley fine for everyone and no one will ever comemnt on it (whihc I think is something that says a lot about some people mind) but being gay it is a problem?
Why people cannot just be happy and let people be happy for what they are or think they are if not arming anyone else?

Goodbye to this topic for me... and back to the games; mario world is a better place where to live.



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DélioPT said:

No, you made sense because you said something that for once was focused.
I already told you once and will tell you again: don`t make assumptions on someone you don`t know. If you can`t separate being against something from hating it, other people can.

Actually, my actions do prove that. And associating me with white supremacists is just unbelievable!


What other people? I don't see anyone agreeing with you.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)