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The Fury said:
sapphi_snake said:
The Fury said:

Your morals might not but society's as a whole does. It's religion that established the morals, religious spread was/is far stronger then common thinking or philosphy. Christianity might have borrowed views on western morality choices but what of the rest of the world? Many regions have their own views on morality unconnected to Christianity yet these areas do have faiths which contain those definitions of right and wrong.

I already gave Confucianism as an example. Confucius wasn't a religious leader, but after his death the followers of his philosophical belief created a religion around him. All morals are a result of philosophy, they are not dictated by some supernatural force. Religion may perpetuate some morals, but the problem with religion as a source for morals is that it takes the morals from the logical system in which they were created. It demands it's adherents to blindly follow those morals, considers them absolute, and rejects any change (a serious flaw, because as human knowledge advances, some morals become irrational and even dangerous).

Nowadays people think more than they used to, and lots of them choose what morals to follow based on rational thought, rather that it was written in some book.

Is there no such thing as religious philosphy? Philosphy is just the study of lifes problems and answering them, religion can do it all. I just believe that most of the worlds ethics are based on early religious establishment. 

I agree with your last statement though.

There is such a thing as religious philosophy, but there's not much ration in it, as it starts off on false premises.

Your statement that the world's ethic systems are based on early religous establishment is false (Europe's example is a very good one, as we know that the Greek philosopher's based their views on rational thought, not on any religion; Confucious also based his views on his thinking, rather than on any religous beleifs, and his views represent the foundation of the ethical systems in Eastern Asia).



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Seece said:

No worse than the woman that was stoned to death for having sex outside marriage (she was also raped)

Words fail me.

Which one?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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sapphi_snake said:
Seece said:

No worse than the woman that was stoned to death for having sex outside marriage (she was also raped)

Words fail me.

Which one?

There's more than one? xD deary me.

 



 

radiantshadow92 said:

Religion is the sole reason for morals, like it or not. Philosophy is about doing what is smartest and thinking about the consequenses. In religion, bad actions are met with bad consequenses. Its also a way to explain the unexplainable, and to keep peace of mind. Philosiphy, does neither really. And the bolded is just ridiculous. Religion demands nothing but faith. By religion i mean christianity. 

Religion isn't the reason for morals. Morality predates any religion.

Religion explains the unexplainable by giving false, made-up answers to assure the peace of mind of weak people.

Faith implies following blindly and not thinking.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Seece said:
sapphi_snake said:
Seece said:

No worse than the woman that was stoned to death for having sex outside marriage (she was also raped)

Words fail me.

Which one?

There's more than one? xD deary me.

 

Sadly, this has been going on for millennia.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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Hey, it's her fault for being a women in the first place

In all honesty, it seems stupid to me. It's not like she was asked to be raped, or to be impregnated because of it. It's as stupid as apologising for what I said above. Surely it's the rapist who should be apologising...



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

sapphi_snake said:
Seece said:
sapphi_snake said:
Seece said:

No worse than the woman that was stoned to death for having sex outside marriage (she was also raped)

Words fail me.

Which one?

There's more than one? xD deary me.

 

Sadly, this has been going on for millennia.


Damn, that's sad.

Shame some parts of the world are still medievil like



 

Seece said:
sapphi_snake said:
Seece said:
sapphi_snake said:
Seece said:

No worse than the woman that was stoned to death for having sex outside marriage (she was also raped)

Words fail me.

Which one?

There's more than one? xD deary me.

 

Sadly, this has been going on for millennia.


Damn, that's sad.

Shame some parts of the world are still medievil like

Shame this type of thing was going on even before the medieval period.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
radiantshadow92 said:

Religion is the sole reason for morals, like it or not. Philosophy is about doing what is smartest and thinking about the consequenses. In religion, bad actions are met with bad consequenses. Its also a way to explain the unexplainable, and to keep peace of mind. Philosiphy, does neither really. And the bolded is just ridiculous. Religion demands nothing but faith. By religion i mean christianity. 

Religion isn't the reason for morals. Morality predates any religion.

Religion explains the unexplainable by giving false, made-up answers to assure the peace of mind of weak people.

Faith implies following blindly and not thinking.

Where are you getting this from? Where did i bring up that religion is truth/false? All i said is that it demands faith, and btw your definition of faith needs some work lol. Faith implies following with belief. Not blindly lol, go read a dictionary. 



radiantshadow92 said:
sapphi_snake said:
radiantshadow92 said:

Religion is the sole reason for morals, like it or not. Philosophy is about doing what is smartest and thinking about the consequenses. In religion, bad actions are met with bad consequenses. Its also a way to explain the unexplainable, and to keep peace of mind. Philosiphy, does neither really. And the bolded is just ridiculous. Religion demands nothing but faith. By religion i mean christianity. 

Religion isn't the reason for morals. Morality predates any religion.

Religion explains the unexplainable by giving false, made-up answers to assure the peace of mind of weak people.

Faith implies following blindly and not thinking.

Where are you getting this from? Where did i bring up that religion is truth/false? All i said is that it demands faith, and btw your definition of faith needs some work lol. Faith implies following with belief. Not blindly lol, go read a dictionary. 

If it's not blind, then it wouldn't be faith, no?

(rejecting ration in the name of faith is acting blindly)



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)