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sapphi_snake on 18 May 2011
DélioPT said:
The_vagabond7 said:
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
DélioPT said:

That was just wrong!

Don`t really understand why the generalizations towards a religion when an action isn`t obviously in accordance with said religion.

Isn't it? When has Christianity presented a positive vision of women?


This has got nothing to do with Christianity`s view of women - nor men. This is about someone blaming another person when said person did nothing wrong and those who put the case in a way to avoid seeing the truth of one man`s wrong doing.

It has everything to do with how Christianity views both women and men. It's about the persecution of a WOMAN, and the ignoring of a MAN's wrongdoing.


As highwaystar101 said it: "I don't think this has anything to do with the church, just one man with a distorted view on the world (and a congregation that will be sympathetic towards his manner of dealing with things)."

It`s pretty obvious this is beyond religions; it`s just someone putting the blame on someone who is a victim. This happens outside religious contexts aswell.

Christianity views both women and men equally if i may had. Salvation is offered to both. They both do good and bad and judge the same way. But please let me add this: do you know that the Virgin Mary was the only person to go to Heaven with body and soul (the assumption of Mary)? Do you know she was the only one who was born without sin, in a state of grace?

Christianity perpetuates the ideea of men having power over women, therefore women aren't equal to men.

I have been to churches since i was little and i never heard anything like that.

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God- 1 corinthians 11:3

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.-1 Timothy 2:12

Your first quote only tells that even God and Jesus, who share the same spirit, aren`t "equal", so are neither man nor woman as they have different roles. But that doesn`t mean they aren`t seen the same in God`s eyes.

"27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." Genesis
Everyone was created in God`s image.

And those words seem to have a context aswell.

Eve was created from Adam's rib.



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sapphi_snake on 18 May 2011
DélioPT said:

I have been to churches since i was little and i never heard anything like that.

Guess you weren't listening.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

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sapphi_snake on 18 May 2011
The Fury said:

But what spread this Greek thinking to say Norway or the UK? The greek themselves or the spread of religion (Christianity in this case) that once covered the whole of Europe.

While I am not religious, many of my morals in life are based on a thinking that was established by a prominant religion because they are established in my society. The rest are based on logic and common sense to determine what is right, not what a book has told me.

You have said twice about religion and the 'false premises' which points that religion as a whole has no hold on your life. You may not have religion as a direct source of your morals but without it many of lifes simple ethics may not be as well established as they are.

Christianity almost wiped our Greek thought actually. Nad the UK was part of the roman Empire once. None of the morals I follow have anything to do with any religion (except maybe the fact that I consider killing someone to be immoral - though even then I have an exception: self defense).



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

DélioPT on 18 May 2011
sapphi_snake said:

Eve was created from Adam's rib.

And?
God treats everyone the same way as salvation is open to everyone, as is His love.

Maybe i wasn`t listening right, because all i have been hearing is how God loves everyone and, seeing as there`s a talk about the importance of women, how important is Mary in Christianity.
Even if you look at Christ`s life there`s no different treatment to men or women; He embraced everyone who decided to follow Him.



Slimebeast on 18 May 2011

God will judge them all.



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Badassbab on 18 May 2011
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

Eve was created from Adam's rib.

And?
God treats everyone the same way as salvation is open to everyone, as is His love.

Maybe i wasn`t listening right, because all i have been hearing is how God loves everyone and, seeing as there`s a talk about the importance of women, how important is Mary in Christianity.
Even if you look at Christ`s life there`s no different treatment to men or women; He embraced everyone who decided to follow Him.

With all due respect can you answer me this-

Did God give us humans his emotional traits? Because whenever I read religious texts God is always either-

Pleased- This is when you do as he says and worship him and offer sacrifice and let him know how great he is.

Very angry and genocidal- This is when you stop worshipping him and he causes floods, earthquakes etc

Jealous- This is when you worship other deities.

Contradictory and a sadist- Says he loves you one minute and all is forgiven and then wants you to roast in hell the next for the slightest error and cuse you immense suffering for all eternity.

Narcissistic and demanding- Demands worship and asks his prophets to tell everyone how great he is.

Why is God like this?






sapphi_snake on 18 May 2011
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

Eve was created from Adam's rib.

And?
God treats everyone the same way as salvation is open to everyone, as is His love.

Maybe i wasn`t listening right, because all i have been hearing is how God loves everyone and, seeing as there`s a talk about the importance of women, how important is Mary in Christianity.
Even if you look at Christ`s life there`s no different treatment to men or women; He embraced everyone who decided to follow Him.

I don't see any female apostoles.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake on 18 May 2011
Badassbab said:
DélioPT said:
sapphi_snake said:
 

Eve was created from Adam's rib.

And?
God treats everyone the same way as salvation is open to everyone, as is His love.

Maybe i wasn`t listening right, because all i have been hearing is how God loves everyone and, seeing as there`s a talk about the importance of women, how important is Mary in Christianity.
Even if you look at Christ`s life there`s no different treatment to men or women; He embraced everyone who decided to follow Him.

With all due respect can you answer me this-

Did God give us humans his emotional traits? Because whenever I read religious texts God is always either-

Pleased- This is when you do as he says and worship him and offer sacrifice and let him know how great he is.

Very angry and genocidal- This is when you stop worshipping him and he causes floods, earthquakes etc

Jealous- This is when you worship other deities.

Contradictory and a sadist- Says he loves you one minute and all is forgiven and then wants you to roast in hell the next for the slightest error and cuse you immense suffering for all eternity.

Narcissistic and demanding- Demands worship and asks his prophets to tell everyone how great he is.

Why is God like this?

Silly. It's because he's evil.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

The_vagabond7 on 18 May 2011
mrstickball said:
The_vagabond7 said:

Oh I have one more scripture to add to my above post on men being the head of women

Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God- 1 corinthians 11:3

I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.-1 Timothy 2:12

Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything. Ephesians 5:22-24

You kind of missed the other parts by taking it out of context:

 

Ephesians 5:21-33

 

 21Out of respect for Christ, be courteously reverent to one another.

 22-24Wives, understand and support your husbands in ways that show your support for Christ. The husband provides leadership to his wife the way Christ does to his church, not by domineering but by cherishing. So just as the church submits to Christ as he exercises such leadership, wives should likewise submit to their husbands.

 25-28Husbands, go all out in your love for your wives, exactly as Christ did for the church—a love marked by giving, not getting. Christ's love makes the church whole. His words evoke her beauty. Everything he does and says is designed to bring the best out of her, dressing her in dazzling white silk, radiant with holiness. And that is how husbands ought to love their wives. They're really doing themselves a favor—since they're already "one" in marriage.

 29-33No one abuses his own body, does he? No, he feeds and pampers it. That's how Christ treats us, the church, since we are part of his body. And this is why a man leaves father and mother and cherishes his wife. No longer two, they become "one flesh." This is a huge mystery, and I don't pretend to understand it all. What is clearest to me is the way Christ treats the church. And this provides a good picture of how each husband is to treat his wife, loving himself in loving her, and how each wife is to honor her husband.

 

Yeah, real inequality in those statements. I guess I shouldn't go all out in loving my wife by giving more than recieving, hunh?


The context does nothing for the passage. So it doesn't say "husbands, beat your wives as you see fit", I guess it's all for equality then if it's saying be nice to women. Yes it tells a husband to love his wife, and then it tells the wife submit to him, he is your head just as christ is the head of the church. That may have flew in the 1700s, but telling a woman "no seriously, the man is the boss, you need to be submissive to him." just doesn't fly now. How comforting it must be to tell a woman "Don't worry, I will be a very loving master to you."

It's just another scripture that modern morality has outgrown, and certain segments of the population haven't caught up with yet. Women aren't made to submit to men anymore, it is not the prevailing view that the husband is the boss of the wife. It doesn't matter what scripture says. We've moved on.



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mrstickball on 18 May 2011
The_vagabond7 said:


The context does nothing for the passage. So it doesn't say "husbands, beat your wives as you see fit", I guess it's all for equality then if it's saying be nice to women. Yes it tells a husband to love his wife, and then it tells the wife submit to him, he is your head just as christ is the head of the church. That may have flew in the 1700s, but telling a woman "no seriously, the man is the boss, you need to be submissive to him." just doesn't fly now. How comforting it must be to tell a woman "Don't worry, I will be a very loving master to you."

It's just another scripture that modern morality has outgrown, and certain segments of the population haven't caught up with yet. Women aren't made to submit to men anymore, it is not the prevailing view that the husband is the boss of the wife. It doesn't matter what scripture says. We've moved on.

Just curious, are you married?



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