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Forums - Sales - Wii now 10m ahead of PS3 - putting this into context / future predictions

shams said:
Thanks for the users actually reading and responding to my posts :)

Yes - I don't mean an EXTRA lead of 20m next year - I mean a repeat of this year, which gives 10m (2007) + 10m (2008) lead --> a 20m lead in total.

I wonder what sort of lead the Wii *would* need before people finally accept that its not going anywhere (not a fad) - and that its down to the 360/PS3 fighting out for 2nd spot this gen.

(of course things are never this simple - this generation has a few surprises yet to throw into the mix)

Unfortunately, I don't know if some developers will catch the wii craze this generation.  I love what Nintendo has done this generation to almost garuantee getting back to #1.  But developers think quality = graphics.  No big third party game has came over from the PS3 or x360.  I think it will take greater than 50% of the market by the Wii before developers will take it seriously.  It's like they think we can build a PS3/X360 game and have 25 million users (9 PS3/16 x360) or we can build a Wii game and have 18 million users.  I think this is flawed, but I feel like after so much effort has been put into PS3/X360 the Wii needs to beat both which will be exceedingly tough to do.  I'm waiting for the first developer to learn that they can port a RE 5 or MGS 4 to the Wii.  Then we might see the floodgates open if they find out that it doesn't cost that much and then can sell a ton more copies.



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There is not even a need to post in this thread, because it makes no sense. Those are really PS3 AAA titles? Sonic is a AAA title? Lair is a AAA title? Gundam is a AAA title? Seven other titles are Multi-platform. One is a demo. and the others are mediocre-good titles. How is this a telling year? How come the XBOX 360 wasn't included in here also? Wii is ahead of that bad boy too.



The PS3 is here for ten years. The wii will not last that long. Its all about the long term investment



So people still believe that the Wii will have the same lifespan as the HD consoles? Why? And don't tell me that "the Wii will start and keep selling 60 million a year", there must a reason why they will uphold this tremendous momentum. But these reasons are never given, it is just assumed that it will be that way, sound reasoning indeed.



Mummelmann said:
So people still believe that the Wii will have the same lifespan as the HD consoles? Why? And don't tell me that "the Wii will start and keep selling 60 million a year", there must a reason why they will uphold this tremendous momentum. But these reasons are never given, it is just assumed that it will be that way, sound reasoning indeed.

SO why dont you believe it will have the same lifrspan as the HD consoles? why?

See I can do the same :P



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Mummelmann said:
So people still believe that the Wii will have the same lifespan as the HD consoles? Why? And don't tell me that "the Wii will start and keep selling 60 million a year", there must a reason why they will uphold this tremendous momentum. But these reasons are never given, it is just assumed that it will be that way, sound reasoning indeed.



I personally don't think that the momentum will last forever, but I do belive that it will hold out for the next year at least. The main driver will be SSBB and Mario Kart for the nintendo fans and Wii Line of games (starting with Wii Fit) for casual gamers. If they can reach 40 million sold Wiis at the end of 2008 it would be great and that could mean a 20 million lead on the PS3 (or close to it).

I personally belive Microsoft will try for a 7 years lifespann of the xbox360 that will mean that Nintendo can afford a 6 years lifespann for the Wii. At the moment Microsoft launches 720, or whatever, PS4 needs to be launched, even if PS4 is just 2 duc taped PS3s

The main reason why I can see that Wii will last as long as the HD consols is what have extended the life of the PS2, interface game. Buzz, singstar, Guitarr Hero, Rock Band you name it. The Wii line of games is probarbly the main reason the casual buys Wii today and that makes me think that Nintendo will continue to dominate that crowd throughout the entire life cycle. Nintendo has already now shown an intresst adding new toys to the Wii, Wii Zapper and Wii Fit board, and I think Nintendo will continue to expand their offerings. That in combination with a possible 99 USD price tag might let the Wii keep on truking with the big boys during 2011.

With the early momentum Wii has build up it and the strong casual base it would be stupid for 3rd party not trying to cash in on that crowd. I think carnival games has hit 300k sold during November in USA and might have sold even more since than. That might lead to even more casual games that can give Nintendo the casual gamer edge late in the consol cycle.

Now when I have tried to explain why I can see Wii going strong and survive as long as the HD consols you could possible try to explain why it will fall flat next year.



 

 

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Really this thread was pointless, everyone knows that the Wii is going to sell better next year. Just because last year not every single consumer got a Wii. So you know Nintendo will increase demand and the sells are going to pick up and be better than 2007.



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Stats87 said:
Jigglypuff said:
If price was a factor, the Gamecube woulda sold bucket loads.

there is a difference, the Wii has a lot more fun games to play. All I ever owned for my gamecube was Eternal Darkness, Smash Bros, Resident Evil 4, Skies of Arcadia, Baiten Kaitos and Tales of Symphonia. There were a few other good games, but I didn't care enough to play them.

Now that's a good amount of games for a year or two, but over its lifetime? Plus, a couple of those most people have never heard of.

 thats exactly my point! The games are more important than the price. 

 



robjoh said:
Mummelmann said:
So people still believe that the Wii will have the same lifespan as the HD consoles? Why? And don't tell me that "the Wii will start and keep selling 60 million a year", there must a reason why they will uphold this tremendous momentum. But these reasons are never given, it is just assumed that it will be that way, sound reasoning indeed.



I personally don't think that the momentum will last forever, but I do belive that it will hold out for the next year at least. The main driver will be SSBB and Mario Kart for the nintendo fans and Wii Line of games (starting with Wii Fit) for casual gamers. If they can reach 40 million sold Wiis at the end of 2008 it would be great and that could mean a 20 million lead on the PS3 (or close to it).

I personally belive Microsoft will try for a 7 years lifespann of the xbox360 that will mean that Nintendo can afford a 6 years lifespann for the Wii. At the moment Microsoft launches 720, or whatever, PS4 needs to be launched, even if PS4 is just 2 duc taped PS3s

The main reason why I can see that Wii will last as long as the HD consols is what have extended the life of the PS2, interface game. Buzz, singstar, Guitarr Hero, Rock Band you name it. The Wii line of games is probarbly the main reason the casual buys Wii today and that makes me think that Nintendo will continue to dominate that crowd throughout the entire life cycle. Nintendo has already now shown an intresst adding new toys to the Wii, Wii Zapper and Wii Fit board, and I think Nintendo will continue to expand their offerings. That in combination with a possible 99 USD price tag might let the Wii keep on truking with the big boys during 2011.

With the early momentum Wii has build up it and the strong casual base it would be stupid for 3rd party not trying to cash in on that crowd. I think carnival games has hit 300k sold during November in USA and might have sold even more since than. That might lead to even more casual games that can give Nintendo the casual gamer edge late in the consol cycle.

Now when I have tried to explain why I can see Wii going strong and survive as long as the HD consols you could possible try to explain why it will fall flat next year.


 Remember that last gen, the PS2 was not only 1:100 in terms of power compared to the others, but the Wii is. Anyway; as I've said countless times before, I have precious little faith in the prolonged interest in a product from the most unstable of all buyers; the casuals. This group of people have been known to embrace a new "gadget" and give it near legendary sales, only to abandon it shortly after.  Anyone targeting this audience better have a very decisive and longterm plan to keep them hooked. It seems that Nintendo is going to give us more of what they've already done, whcih will quickly grow old for people who change their wardrobe, cellphones or "gadgetry" on a nearly monthly basis.

It's showing in the sales of "core" games just how big a percentage of Wii owners are casuals, and they seem to have little to no interest in these titles (SMG, MP). This will continue as long as the core audience shies away, so the top notch 1st party games will not get the attention they possibly deserve, which in turn will deter 3rd parties from investing too much into titles they know won't sell on that platform. So 98% of game library will be the same kind of simple games that casuals seem to like, which won't be nearly varied or entertaining enough longterm to keep their technological wanderlust at bay.

This is how the casuals act and think; shortterm and right now. 2 years from now, the Wii will be old news, much like the Nokia 3200 or Sony Ericsson W800i is now. Don't fancy casuals treat consoles the same as cellphones? Well, they're "fashion technophiles", embracing and doting on a piece of gadgetry until it is no longer cool, at which point they toss it out or otherwise discard it.

There are core gamers as well who buy the Wii, but they seem to prefer either a PS3, 360 or simply a PC (like me).

This is why I feel that the Wii has little staying power, and also why I think that Nintendo will be the first to launch a new console next gen.

Okay, there it is; go ahead Avinash, take it away. We're all dying to hear your opinion again.



shams said:
Thanks for the users actually reading and responding to my posts :)

Yes - I don't mean an EXTRA lead of 20m next year - I mean a repeat of this year, which gives 10m (2007) + 10m (2008) lead --> a 20m lead in total.

I wonder what sort of lead the Wii *would* need before people finally accept that its not going anywhere (not a fad) - and that its down to the 360/PS3 fighting out for 2nd spot this gen.

(of course things are never this simple - this generation has a few surprises yet to throw into the mix)

 Apparently not, it seems that most people thinks it's set in stone judging by the predictions and overall tone.