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Michael-5 on 17 April 2011
Buzzi said:
Michael-5 said:

3DS is not doing as well as I expected. A 70% drop this week, really? What happened to 4 million by the end of March? 3DS sales will boom again when Zelda and Kid Icarus come out, but still. I bet by the end of the month DS and 3DS sales will be similar.


4m were shipped units. And it's selling as well as DS was after 3 weeks, so I can't see a problem. As you say, software will drive sales higer, but right now it's doing well.

Ahhh, maybe your right about something. Manufacterers always quote sold figures as units shipped.

3DS dropped a bit more then I expected, and the fact that PSP > 3DS in Japan worries me a bit. I think it will also be a 150 million seller system like the DS, and I am aware that it's tracking better then the DS. I guess it is doing well.

I guess I'm just a bit skeptical because of all the media attention towards the short battery life.

I'll have to wait to see how it sells when some good exclusive software is released. Common Kid Icarus and Zelda!



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smroadkill15 on 17 April 2011
radiantshadow92 said:
XanderZane said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Nsanity said:
ThePS3News said:

Yea i know but still i wonder when people here in america are finally going to realize that as of right now the PS3 is overall the better console to invest in.

Its sad that MOST american gamers only play shooters and sports games. Most 360 only owners dont even know that games like Heavy rain, Littlebigplanet and Infamous exist.

The top Software sales for the 360 are usually always shooters(other than the kinect adventures game that is bundled).

I'm just saying the 360 communtuty should stop being close minded and start having a more diverse gaming communtity.

You do know best selling game on PS3 is a FPS right?

You do know that the 360's top ten is all shooters right? Oh, except or that kinect game lulz, so go to 11 and its still a shooter. ps3 has 7 and thats if we are counting GTA and MGS4 which i am. I don't care what anyone says, shooter are extremly popular on both systems. But on the ps3 has way more diversed games that either of the other consoles.  

The XBox 360 has diverse games as well. Still has more RPGS then the PS3 which is a bit strange. The XBox 360 has everything. Puzzle, Sports, RTS, (J/W)RPG, FPS, Platform, Fighting 2D & 3D, Driving (lots), Action/Adv, Sims, Casual, Card/Board, Classic and Old School. The system is just as diverse as the PS3.


More RPGS? Debatable. 

Does it have a heavy rain?

A god of war?

An inFAMOUS?

Hell, it doesn't even have an MGS4.

I could go on, but lists wars are meh

It does have multiplats, but thats what they are, multiplats. It does have a diverse library, more diverse than the ps3? No.


Does the ps3 have a Alan Wake?

Does it have a Fable?

Does it have a Dance Central?

Does it have a Halo Wars?

I could go on also.

The 360 and ps3 library is nearly identical. The 360 has hack n' slash, WRPG, JRPG, Shooters, RTS, puzzle, family, sports, horror, and every other genre out there like the ps3. Saying the ps3 library is more diverse than the 360's is complete crap. Stop being ignorant.   



Michael-5 on 18 April 2011
CGI-Quality said:
ethomaz said:
# GT5 GT4 Week Diff Cumulative
1 2,344,932 2,523,055 -178,123 (-7.1%) -178,123 (-7.1%)
2 744,116 1,000,378 -256,262 (-25.6%) -434,385 (-12.3%)
3 675,112 510,176 164,936 (32.3%) -269,449 (-6.7%)
4 624,977 326,608 298,369 (91.4%) 28,920 (0.7%)
5 585,254 231,662 353,592 (152.6%) 382,512 (8.3%)
6 312,094 178,044 134,050 (75.3%) 516,562 (10.8%)
7 171,438 137,261 34,177 (24.9%) 550,739 (11.2%)
8 120,100 120,989 -889 (-0.7%) 549,850 (10.9%)
9 91,157 102,768 -11,611 (-11.3%) 538,239 (10.5%)
10 73,757 92,089 -18,332 (-19.9%) 519,907 (10.0%)
11 63,025 80,643 -17,618 (-21.8%) 502,289 (9.5%)
12 52,727 77,354 -24,627 (-31.8%) 477,662 (8.9%)
13 61,928 67,939 -6,011 (-8.8%) 471,651 (8.7%)
14  55,184 60,955  -5,771 (-9.5%) 465,880 (8.5%)
15  37,402 55,236 -17,834 (-32.2%) 448,046 (7.7%)
16  28,972 50,837 -21,865 (-43.0%) 426,181 (7.6%) 
17  20,840 42,133 -21,293 (-50.5%) 404,888 (7.1%)
18 22,747 39,438 -16,691 (-42.3%) 388,197 (6.8%)
19 19,441 37,014 -17,573 (-47.4%) 370,624 (6.4%)
20 18,325 32,204 -13,879 (-43.0%) 356,745 (6.1%)
21   35,189    
22   33,713    
23   32,183    
24   30,473    
25   30,615    
LT 6,123,528 10,610,639    

Note. GT4 sold 400 units this week.

For GT5 to fall under GT4 in total WW sales, it would have to sell next to nothing for the remainder of the year, or GT4 will have to have a significant spike somewhere. A 356k lead isn't going to just completely disappear anytime soon.

Edit: Btw, the current WW lifetime for GT5 is 6,123,528, so I adjusted it in my post.

Well in about 4 weeks, GT4 begins to enter it's first holiday season in EMEAA, and although sales remain relatively flat for the next 6 months of GT4's sales, I don't think this will be the case for GT5.

GT5 has proven (and I did predict this) that it's sales are heavily frontloaded and weekly sales are consistantly less then 60% of GT4's sales. If this continues, we should not expect GT5 sales to surpass 9 million lifetime, which is pretty damn good for a PS3 exclusive, and not too bad for a GT game.

However I have proven this to you in the past, and the trend is still holding, so I'm not going to debate it again. Maybe GT5 will see a boost in sales this fall to break this pattern, maybe it won't. At this rate, in about 20 weeks, GT5/GT4 sales should be equal, and after that we should see GT4 separate from GT5.



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ethomaz on 18 April 2011

Michael-5 said:

Well in about 4 weeks, GT4 begins to enter it's first holiday season in EMEAA, and although sales remain relatively flat for the next 6 months of GT4's sales, I don't think this will be the case for GT5.

More likely 20 weeks.

In Week 21 GT4 sold 25k and after that until Week 40 it down to 15k... the first holiday boost is Week Ending 03rd Dec 2005 (Week 40) when it sold 25k again.

The holiday boost in EMEAA for GT4 was low... 25k (Week 41), 40k (Week 42), 60k (Week 43) and go back to 40k (Week 44)... Week 45 (24k) was already January.

Just EMEAA data... the boost in Americas started before (mid November).



Buzzi on 18 April 2011
Michael-5 said:
Buzzi said:
Michael-5 said:

3DS is not doing as well as I expected. A 70% drop this week, really? What happened to 4 million by the end of March? 3DS sales will boom again when Zelda and Kid Icarus come out, but still. I bet by the end of the month DS and 3DS sales will be similar.


4m were shipped units. And it's selling as well as DS was after 3 weeks, so I can't see a problem. As you say, software will drive sales higer, but right now it's doing well.

Ahhh, maybe your right about something. Manufacterers always quote sold figures as units shipped.

3DS dropped a bit more then I expected, and the fact that PSP > 3DS in Japan worries me a bit. I think it will also be a 150 million seller system like the DS, and I am aware that it's tracking better then the DS. I guess it is doing well.

I guess I'm just a bit skeptical because of all the media attention towards the short battery life.

I'll have to wait to see how it sells when some good exclusive software is released. Common Kid Icarus and Zelda!


well, I hoped for better numbers too, but looking at DS' sales in its first weeks 3DS is just doing in line with it, even at an higer price. The only reason why 3DS couldn't match DS in Japan was because it wasn't sold during holidays like DS was. Plus, as you say, it still lacks games (just like DS after a month TBH), so sales will explode later :D



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Alby_da_Wolf on 18 April 2011
ethomaz said:

Michael-5 said:

Well in about 4 weeks, GT4 begins to enter it's first holiday season in EMEAA, and although sales remain relatively flat for the next 6 months of GT4's sales, I don't think this will be the case for GT5.

More likely 20 weeks.

In Week 21 GT4 sold 25k and after that until Week 40 it down to 15k... the first holiday boost is Week Ending 03rd Dec 2005 (Week 40) when it sold 25k again.

The holiday boost in EMEAA for GT4 was low... 25k (Week 41), 40k (Week 42), 60k (Week 43) and go back to 40k (Week 44)... Week 45 (24k) was already January.

Just EMEAA data... the boost in Americas stared before (November middle).

We should also consider two things in favour of GT5 sales: first, GT5 hasn't had its first Golden Week in Japan yet, second, after MS attacked GT5 during its launch heavily bundling F3, Sony could retaliate heavily bundling GT5 just when F4 launches.



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LivingMetal on 18 April 2011
XanderZane said:
radiantshadow92 said:
Nsanity said:
ThePS3News said:

Yea i know but still i wonder when people here in america are finally going to realize that as of right now the PS3 is overall the better console to invest in.

Its sad that MOST american gamers only play shooters and sports games. Most 360 only owners dont even know that games like Heavy rain, Littlebigplanet and Infamous exist.

The top Software sales for the 360 are usually always shooters(other than the kinect adventures game that is bundled).

I'm just saying the 360 communtuty should stop being close minded and start having a more diverse gaming communtity.

You do know best selling game on PS3 is a FPS right?

You do know that the 360's top ten is all shooters right? Oh, except or that kinect game lulz, so go to 11 and its still a shooter. ps3 has 7 and thats if we are counting GTA and MGS4 which i am. I don't care what anyone says, shooter are extremly popular on both systems. But on the ps3 has way more diversed games that either of the other consoles.  

The XBox 360 has diverse games as well. Still has more RPGS then the PS3 which is a bit strange. The XBox 360 has everything. Puzzle, Sports, RTS, (J/W)RPG, FPS, Platform, Fighting 2D & 3D, Driving (lots), Action/Adv, Sims, Casual, Card/Board, Classic and Old School. The system is just as diverse as the PS3.


But those types of diverse games seem to appeal to the general PS3 crowd more than the general Xbox 360 crowd.  All consoles have a diverse library.  What really counts is the appeal of that library to its audience.



*Sound Of Rain on 18 April 2011
Michael-5 said:

I agree with you about PS3 100%. For 360, sales will jump in Fall. 360 might have less games then PS3, but Gears 3 and Forza 4 will generate more hype and sales then all of PS3's exclusives from that time period.


As for Wii, it may be getting a price cut real soon, it's already $170 at Best Buy. So this should boost Wii sales to about PS3 level leaving 360 behind and come fall Wii and 360 should both pick up above PS3. Year end, I still think Wii will come first, but it will be closer this year then any other year in the past.

As for 3DS, when the software comes, sales will jump. It's just annoying Nintendo promised 4 million 3DS's sold by the end of Q1 and I think at best they will get that at the end of May.

I thought DS was a oretty good console. Not as good for the hardcore as the GBA was, but there is a lot more casual software for the DS. I mean I play more Picross then any other handheld game. GB and GBA served the hardcore better with better Pokemon games, better Zeldas, more mainstream Metroid titles, and more new IP's like Advance Wars, Fire Emblem and Golden Sun. However DS had a proper Mario Kart, a couple good Super Mario games, a proper Mario Party, 2 new Pokemons plus a remake, a proper Animal Crossing and a lot of polished $20 titles such as Brain Age and Picross.

Well, to be honest does the 360 or Wii really have anything left? I actually thought that Kinect was going to help the 360 a lot more than it has currently...yeah a Price Cut will help all 3 so thats not really something Microsoft has to play that only benefits it exclusivly. As for Wii, I was extremely excited for something new such as the Vitality Sensor but to me it seems as if Nintendo doesn't want to do anything else "Unique" until next Gen. I think that they are saving all of their ideas for the 3DS and Next Gen. They should continue to release Wii games such as Wii Play Motion but I don't know if that alone will cut it this time. 

At this point, Sony has a major advantage and as long as they don't mess it up somehow PS3 should keep #1 most of the time. Wii & 360 both will be #1 sometimes like after a major release or a Price Cut but if PS3 gets a Price Cut too and no games get delayed(maybe this time) and they continued to release big games frequently like they are doing right now and looking at the release schedule will continue to do...PS3 should stay #1.

I never expected 3DS to sell 4 Million by the start of April. I am not worried about 3DS sales at all as they are currently doing fine with no (big) games. Many people bought the 3DS with 1 or no games which just shows that there really isn't a big games a lot of people want right now. Nintendo fans are looking at the 3D and the future promised line-up and buying the 3DS because of it. Only the "Core" really knows the future line-up so not many people will buy a new system based on what isn't out yet...when the games come...so will the massive sales.

As for DS...I am not really a "Core" gamer anyway as I like many different games and types of games. My favorite games on the DS happened to be "Casual" games. They were Picross 3D and Professor Layton.(UF) I didn't get around to buying Mario Kart DS for some strange reason and I didn't like Animal Crossing Wild World. ACWW IMO had bad controls and it turned me away from getting into the game.(Same thing with Super Mario 64 DS) The only games I can really say I enjoyed on the DS were: New Super Mario Bros, Pokemon Diamond, Picross, Professor Layton & The Unwound Future, and Elebits The Adventures Of Kai And Zero. Besides that DS didn't offer me much. The graphics also made it difficult for me to enjoy games such as Resident Evil. I couldn't even tell what I was doing or where I was at between the graphics and controls. DS had a good concept and I liked the Touch Screen and duel screens but the  games didn't offer for me. IMO both Gameboy and Gameboy Advance were better even though the idea of the DS was better.

3DS is already looking better than DS because it fixes everything I didn't like about the DS. The line-up of games already looks great, the graphics are much improved, and it has the circle pad for better controls that will let me enjoy games I wish I could have liked on the DS such as Resident Evil & Animal Crossing.



Michael-5 on 19 April 2011
ethomaz said:

Michael-5 said:

Well in about 4 weeks, GT4 begins to enter it's first holiday season in EMEAA, and although sales remain relatively flat for the next 6 months of GT4's sales, I don't think this will be the case for GT5.

More likely 20 weeks.

In Week 21 GT4 sold 25k and after that until Week 40 it down to 15k... the first holiday boost is Week Ending 03rd Dec 2005 (Week 40) when it sold 25k again.

The holiday boost in EMEAA for GT4 was low... 25k (Week 41), 40k (Week 42), 60k (Week 43) and go back to 40k (Week 44)... Week 45 (24k) was already January.

Just EMEAA data... the boost in Americas started before (mid November).

I did say sales remain steady at about 25k. It only goes down below 20k for a few weeks between week 20-week 40. If GT4 remains flat, and GT5 continues droping, the sales difference will grow. Get my logic?

I consider holiday season starting september. Most games don't go up in sales, but they also stop dropping, and weekly console sales slowly begin to rise.

I was just pointing out that the trend where GT5 sells less then 60% of GT4's weekly sales will likely remain to be the case for a long time coming.



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