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MaxwellGT2000 said:
SleepWaking said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

The problem with the hater part you described is that it seems they aren't really liking Nintendo games, or third party games on Nintendo systems, for what they are, but the gimmicks. If that is what it takes to impress them, THEY are the fake gamers.


Mostly these guys just hate Nintendo because they want to hate Nintendo not because they dont enjoy their games. So if Nintendo can get these people to get interested they must do something really well. btw go moan somewhere else, it´s not a gimmick.


Yeah 3D in games is about as much of a gimmick as motion controls, since one of the biggest problems with games is that you can't judge depth as well since the images don't allow for that.  Racing games, flying sims, and 3D platformers this holds especially true. 

And yes these people from my story are the gamers that really didn't give Wii the time of day, but the 3DS had such a great wow factor that it even impressed them.


Motion controls were a gimmick with the power glove, not the Wii. Just because a bunch of people thought it was doesn't mean the mainstream that embraced the system thought it was. It actually changed how you played, not merely how it looked.

And 3D doesn't actually add depth perception. I hoped it would, but the way it works is forcing the eyes to work in a way counter to depth perception. Forcing the eyes on a single focus means depth can only seem to be in a few spots at once.

Furthermore, motion controls were backed up by good games that wouldn't have worked as well without them. Those genres you mentioned work in regular 2D screens.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
SleepWaking said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

The problem with the hater part you described is that it seems they aren't really liking Nintendo games, or third party games on Nintendo systems, for what they are, but the gimmicks. If that is what it takes to impress them, THEY are the fake gamers.


Mostly these guys just hate Nintendo because they want to hate Nintendo not because they dont enjoy their games. So if Nintendo can get these people to get interested they must do something really well. btw go moan somewhere else, it´s not a gimmick.


Yeah 3D in games is about as much of a gimmick as motion controls, since one of the biggest problems with games is that you can't judge depth as well since the images don't allow for that.  Racing games, flying sims, and 3D platformers this holds especially true. 

And yes these people from my story are the gamers that really didn't give Wii the time of day, but the 3DS had such a great wow factor that it even impressed them.


Motion controls were a gimmick with the power glove, not the Wii. Just because a bunch of people thought it was doesn't mean the mainstream that embraced the system thought it was. It actually changed how you played, not merely how it looked.

And 3D doesn't actually add depth perception. I hoped it would, but the way it works is forcing the eyes to work in a way counter to depth perception. Forcing the eyes on a single focus means depth can only seem to be in a few spots at once.

Furthermore, motion controls were backed up by good games that wouldn't have worked as well without them. Those genres you mentioned work in regular 2D screens.


@Bolded

That's the prime words to disprove your own argument, yes racers, platformers, and flying sims work in 2D but 3D does add to them and work better as a result. 

Also I'm wondering if you've used 3D in games, I can focus my eyes on an object in Pilotwings and get the sense of depth since anything in front of said object looks like it would in real life, giving you depth of field, which is what you need in 3D games to judge distance properly.



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I could be wrong but I suspect that many people are disappointed with what the 3DS has on the horizon because most of the games that will be released in the last 6 months of the year have yet to be announced; and won’t be announced until E3.



It's been really funny when showing people the 3D effects of the 3DS. I'll pop it out and turn it on, and right away they'll say how it's "weird" and it "hurts my eyes.". Of course, after that I'll actually give them the 3DS and position it so they're not looking at it from an angle. It's always the same expression: their eyes go wide and they exclaim "Wow! That's so cool!" Heck, even my friend who will pledge alliegance to Apple until his dying day told me how impressive the system is after playing SSFIV.

So yeah, the 3D effect provides something many people haven't seen before, and it's definitely something that gains their interest at first glance. I think Nintendo could have another big success with this, especially if word goes around like it did for the Wii.

Also... I got my first StreetPass friend yesterday when going through the mall. There is someone in Charlotte with a 3DS afterall!



RolStoppable said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
RolStoppable said:

Remember how the DS sold without a killer app. After the initial rush sales died down, amounting to about eight million units for its first year. Or other Nintendo systems launching without a killer app like the Gamecube.

I don't really consider Nintendogs and Cats a killer app, not in combination with the price of the 3DS.

VGC has the first year at 9.26 million but when compared to GBA that was a slow start I guess, but even GBA didn't have stand out original titles, it had its slew of SNES ports which sold many myself included on the system, I just wanted to play my SNES games on the go.

Also Rol how much do you socially game? Just wondering as that is fairly important to the reasons why Wii was such a success and is reflected in how the 3DS is designed.

SNES ports could be seen as a gift in a world of gaming where everything is in 3D. Maybe that's the reason why the DS had a slower start than the GBA, because people were led to believe that handheld games now also were going to be first and foremost in 3D.

To answer your question, not much. People don't want to play with me. Regarding the 3DS, Nintendo should have launched with a first party title that supports proper game sharing, not just multiplayer with very limited options. That would have been in the spirit of social gaming.


Game sharing isn't just sharing via system to system, that's very limited in scope and doesn't make people who don't have a system take notice, in fact they seem segregated from the "nerds having fun", on the other hand Face Raiders encourages you to snap a photo of a friend, show your friend what they look like, what the software sees them as (male/female and age) and show them how you're blasting them in the face with balls. 

This is something only the Wii has launched with, you picked up a controller, put in Wii sports, had fun, others saw you having fun and wanted to join in so most of the games were designed to allow for only one controller and you juse passed the controller off, same goes for 3DS, *snap photo* *they see you play* *they want to join in* *pass the 3DS to them and they snap a photo of you and play*.

There is a reason Nintendo said they see the pack-in software on the 3DS as the "equivalent to Wii Sports for Wii" and it's not just Face Raiders but Mii Maker, AR games, and the applications as well.

I mean what other portable device entices young ladies to pose just for a picture in 3D

Sadly this image is not in the 3D the original was but the point is the functions create buzz and interaction much like the Wii and that's their plan from day 1.



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
SleepWaking said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

The problem with the hater part you described is that it seems they aren't really liking Nintendo games, or third party games on Nintendo systems, for what they are, but the gimmicks. If that is what it takes to impress them, THEY are the fake gamers.


Mostly these guys just hate Nintendo because they want to hate Nintendo not because they dont enjoy their games. So if Nintendo can get these people to get interested they must do something really well. btw go moan somewhere else, it´s not a gimmick.


Yeah 3D in games is about as much of a gimmick as motion controls, since one of the biggest problems with games is that you can't judge depth as well since the images don't allow for that.  Racing games, flying sims, and 3D platformers this holds especially true. 

And yes these people from my story are the gamers that really didn't give Wii the time of day, but the 3DS had such a great wow factor that it even impressed them.


Motion controls were a gimmick with the power glove, not the Wii. Just because a bunch of people thought it was doesn't mean the mainstream that embraced the system thought it was. It actually changed how you played, not merely how it looked.

And 3D doesn't actually add depth perception. I hoped it would, but the way it works is forcing the eyes to work in a way counter to depth perception. Forcing the eyes on a single focus means depth can only seem to be in a few spots at once.

Furthermore, motion controls were backed up by good games that wouldn't have worked as well without them. Those genres you mentioned work in regular 2D screens.


@Bolded

That's the prime words to disprove your own argument, yes racers, platformers, and flying sims work in 2D but 3D does add to them and work better as a result. 

Also I'm wondering if you've used 3D in games, I can focus my eyes on an object in Pilotwings and get the sense of depth since anything in front of said object looks like it would in real life, giving you depth of field, which is what you need in 3D games to judge distance properly.


No, adding something is not the same as not working as well.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

LordTheNightKnight said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
SleepWaking said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

The problem with the hater part you described is that it seems they aren't really liking Nintendo games, or third party games on Nintendo systems, for what they are, but the gimmicks. If that is what it takes to impress them, THEY are the fake gamers.


Mostly these guys just hate Nintendo because they want to hate Nintendo not because they dont enjoy their games. So if Nintendo can get these people to get interested they must do something really well. btw go moan somewhere else, it´s not a gimmick.


Yeah 3D in games is about as much of a gimmick as motion controls, since one of the biggest problems with games is that you can't judge depth as well since the images don't allow for that.  Racing games, flying sims, and 3D platformers this holds especially true. 

And yes these people from my story are the gamers that really didn't give Wii the time of day, but the 3DS had such a great wow factor that it even impressed them.


Motion controls were a gimmick with the power glove, not the Wii. Just because a bunch of people thought it was doesn't mean the mainstream that embraced the system thought it was. It actually changed how you played, not merely how it looked.

And 3D doesn't actually add depth perception. I hoped it would, but the way it works is forcing the eyes to work in a way counter to depth perception. Forcing the eyes on a single focus means depth can only seem to be in a few spots at once.

Furthermore, motion controls were backed up by good games that wouldn't have worked as well without them. Those genres you mentioned work in regular 2D screens.


@Bolded

That's the prime words to disprove your own argument, yes racers, platformers, and flying sims work in 2D but 3D does add to them and work better as a result. 

Also I'm wondering if you've used 3D in games, I can focus my eyes on an object in Pilotwings and get the sense of depth since anything in front of said object looks like it would in real life, giving you depth of field, which is what you need in 3D games to judge distance properly.


No, adding something is not the same as not working as well.


Wait so motion controls weren't added?  Even though the sports genre already existed? You're simply putting different terms you could use for BOTH except one term has a positive look the other is negative, funny how that works out isn't it?  Sports games were around and thriving before motion controls, they were added and it made the experience more fun and enjoyable.  Racing games have been around since the Atari days but adding 3D makes it more fun and enjoyable.

You're simply stating the same thing in a different way that seems negative the presidental debate on Futurama sums this up pretty well "your 3 cent tax increase goes too far!" "Your 3 cent tax increase doesn't go too far enough!"

http://videosift.com/video/Futurama-Presidential-Debate



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MaxwellGT2000 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
MaxwellGT2000 said:
SleepWaking said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

The problem with the hater part you described is that it seems they aren't really liking Nintendo games, or third party games on Nintendo systems, for what they are, but the gimmicks. If that is what it takes to impress them, THEY are the fake gamers.


Mostly these guys just hate Nintendo because they want to hate Nintendo not because they dont enjoy their games. So if Nintendo can get these people to get interested they must do something really well. btw go moan somewhere else, it´s not a gimmick.


Yeah 3D in games is about as much of a gimmick as motion controls, since one of the biggest problems with games is that you can't judge depth as well since the images don't allow for that.  Racing games, flying sims, and 3D platformers this holds especially true. 

And yes these people from my story are the gamers that really didn't give Wii the time of day, but the 3DS had such a great wow factor that it even impressed them.


Motion controls were a gimmick with the power glove, not the Wii. Just because a bunch of people thought it was doesn't mean the mainstream that embraced the system thought it was. It actually changed how you played, not merely how it looked.

And 3D doesn't actually add depth perception. I hoped it would, but the way it works is forcing the eyes to work in a way counter to depth perception. Forcing the eyes on a single focus means depth can only seem to be in a few spots at once.

Furthermore, motion controls were backed up by good games that wouldn't have worked as well without them. Those genres you mentioned work in regular 2D screens.


@Bolded

That's the prime words to disprove your own argument, yes racers, platformers, and flying sims work in 2D but 3D does add to them and work better as a result. 

Also I'm wondering if you've used 3D in games, I can focus my eyes on an object in Pilotwings and get the sense of depth since anything in front of said object looks like it would in real life, giving you depth of field, which is what you need in 3D games to judge distance properly.


No, adding something is not the same as not working as well.


Wait so motion controls weren't added?  Even though the sports genre already existed? You're simply putting different terms you could use for BOTH except one term has a positive look the other is negative, funny how that works out isn't it?  Sports games were around and thriving before motion controls, they were added and it made the experience more fun and enjoyable.  Racing games have been around since the Atari days but adding 3D makes it more fun and enjoyable.

You're simply stating the same thing in a different way that seems negative the presidental debate on Futurama sums this up pretty well "your 3 cent tax increase goes too far!" "Your 3 cent tax increase doesn't go too far enough!"

http://videosift.com/video/Futurama-Presidential-Debate


My sentence did not imply that. "not the same" does not mean "therefore this thing didn't happen at all". As your reply is based on grossly misreading my statment, it's invalid.

I'll clarify. Turn off the slider, and Pilotwings still works. And "anything in front of said object looks like it would in real life" still means you just focus on a couple things. Also your wording implies photo realism, and I hope you didn't mean that. Even the best games don't actually do that.

Wii Sports is a way to simulate sports for people that don't play sports. The pick-up-and-play aspect would still be there with buttons, but the simulation would be lost. BTW, that also applies to playing a racing game with a wheel versus a controller. The latter just requires a dedicate peripheral, but it does turn a sim game up a level.



A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.

Plus, just for the hell of it: Kelly Brook at the 2008 BAFTAs

Areym said:
SleepWaking said:
LordTheNightKnight said:

The problem with the hater part you described is that it seems they aren't really liking Nintendo games, or third party games on Nintendo systems, for what they are, but the gimmicks. If that is what it takes to impress them, THEY are the fake gamers.


Mostly these guys just hate Nintendo because they want to hate Nintendo not because they dont enjoy their games. So if Nintendo can get these people to get interested they must do something really well. btw go moan somewhere else, it´s not a gimmick.


The 3D is a gimmick, just as much as motion controllers, but gimmicks sell, just look at the Wii. 

OT: For some people, it also has the "ow" factor cause their head is hurting. I really wanna try it and see if the headaches could present a problem.

But the Wiis and D.S. "gimmick" actually changed how you played games. adding 3D is no different then adding blu ray and all the other little things Sony added and what Nintendo added to the 3DS.

 

I will say your anit Nintendo and <3 Xbox friends liking the system kind of scares me



For me, it is not a matter of "if" I am buying the 3DS, but "when"; my DSLite is down for the count so it is about time to get into the new generation of handhelds.

Plus, the fact that you have to see it to believe it only makes me want to own one even more. The software is still pretty barren (not even out for a week yet granted...) but I think after E3...I can make the purchase. Also, there a some patching kinks that might have to be worked out for the first couple months.

There is quite a bit of doom and gloom concerning the strategy behind 3DS but I dont think people need to be so skeptical. Nintendo has lasted this long for a reason.



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