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HappySqurriel said:
oni-link said:
HappySqurriel said:
oni-link said:
Mr Khan said:
Squilliam said:
archbrix said:

Now there I completely agree; I didn't mean to infer that the next Nintendo would perform like the Dreamcast.  That's just not in the cards no matter what happens next gen.

My point was that I don't see Nintendo releasing a system so powerful that it completely dwarfs what the current HD systems can do.  Sure, it's possible they could design a console near the capabilities of Epic's new Unreal demo, but they would either have to charge a fortune for it or sell it at a major loss, neither of which is likely.  All they'd have to do to sell millions upon millions and start out profitable would be to release a console that slightly outperforms the HD twins at a mass-market price, with a new (or far improved) hook that makes everyone want it. 

You'll be surprised how much difference an extra 0.5 / 1 / 1.5 GB of RAM would do alone when considering a comparison between the NES 6 and current generation consoles. The current generation consoles are all RAM starved and it's the easiest way to improve the look of next generation titles by raising texture resolution.

Anyway what really matters isn't the current generation graphics hardware but the next generation on the 28nm process node, how much outright performance it offers within their thermal budget, what that thermal budget is and the relative efficiency of a modern GPU at performing modern rendering techniques. A NES 6 GPU would likely be 5 generations newer than current generation consoles. R5xx, R6xx, R7xx, R8xx, R9xx, R1xxx.

That's what i've been saying: Nintendo could easily "beat" the PS360 with a Wii 2 at this point by having something with a CPU nearly identical to the 360's (IBM PowerPC-ish multicore), but having 1 GB of RAM, which at this point would be cheap and easy to provide at the bare minumum, hell it should be easy to provide a system with 360 chip specs but 2 GB of RAM at this point, seeing as how 4 seems to be the standard for any basic new PC sold this year

The RAM boost would give Sony and Microsoft a reason to upgrade without having to break the bank either for themselves or developers, and we could have an even and prosperous generation next time

I have a strong feeling that Nintendo will be using a modified version of IBM's POWER5 processor (released in 2004)  or the very least the POWER4 (released in 2001) as their next gen processor.  It should have at least 1 GB of RAM maybe even a bit more and sell somewhere between $299-$349 with a more accurate version of their WR .

I don't know what Nintendo will do from a UI perspective ...

I would expect IBM to push Nintendo to use the Power 6 (or possibly the Power 7) architecture with their next generation system (if they're still working together) because IBM will probably want the Power 4 and Power 5 architectures to be past their end of life by the time Nintendo releases their next system. As a general rule, few companies want to still support technology that is 2 (or more) generations behind what they're currently producing.


Not going to happen especially due to cost constraints. I think Nintendo would like to keep it in the low $300 range instead of a high $300-400 range. IBM supported the Gekko and Broadway both of whom were 2-3 generations behind the current one.  Don't worry the Power5 esp in it's Power5 form is still pretty current and is what Nintendo is probably looking for.  Power 7 would just be a beast and not really typical of what Nintendo has done in the past.

Actually, IBM really didn't support the Broadway processor being that the Power 3 architecture hit end of life soon after the Wii was released and never saw a manufacturing process update. As for the cost, the Power 6 architecture is older and less expensive than the Power 3 architecture was when Nintendo released the Gamecube ...

 
Actually, you might have a point with this seeing it's the N6 and would work well with the POWER6 at almost the same cost as the the 5.



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My predictions are 

Next xbox holiday season 2012

Next nintendo console holiday season 2012

Next playstation Either march-may 2013 or 2015-2016



Jumpin said:

I predict very dire consequences if Sony waits 3 years to launch a new console, should be in 1.5 years. Otherwise they'll be too far behind and might get last place two generations in a row.

See I don't get that logic, it doesn't matter if the next xbox has more sales if it's been out on the market 3 years longer like it doesn't matter that ps2 has more sales to 360, the only reason ps3 and 360 and directly compared is because it was only a year and ps3 was expected to just blow it out of the water, if Sony waited 3 years after there would be no problem as long as ps3 still picked up all the multiplats they'd have the edge when the other guys were forced to release a new console as long as the sales are strong for ps3 theres no point in releasing ps4



Sr.Bangsalot said:
Jumpin said:

I predict very dire consequences if Sony waits 3 years to launch a new console, should be in 1.5 years. Otherwise they'll be too far behind and might get last place two generations in a row.

See I don't get that logic, it doesn't matter if the next xbox has more sales if it's been out on the market 3 years longer like it doesn't matter that ps2 has more sales to 360, the only reason ps3 and 360 and directly compared is because it was only a year and ps3 was expected to just blow it out of the water, if Sony waited 3 years after there would be no problem as long as ps3 still picked up all the multiplats they'd have the edge when the other guys were forced to release a new console as long as the sales are strong for ps3 theres no point in releasing ps4

except that PS3 will begin to languish compared to the other two.



oni-link said:
Sr.Bangsalot said:
Jumpin said:

I predict very dire consequences if Sony waits 3 years to launch a new console, should be in 1.5 years. Otherwise they'll be too far behind and might get last place two generations in a row.

See I don't get that logic, it doesn't matter if the next xbox has more sales if it's been out on the market 3 years longer like it doesn't matter that ps2 has more sales to 360, the only reason ps3 and 360 and directly compared is because it was only a year and ps3 was expected to just blow it out of the water, if Sony waited 3 years after there would be no problem as long as ps3 still picked up all the multiplats they'd have the edge when the other guys were forced to release a new console as long as the sales are strong for ps3 theres no point in releasing ps4

except that PS3 will begin to languish compared to the other two.

the wii is doing that now and still selling well, I don't think the next generation gap is going to be that big tech wise, and ps3 is the most powerful by a significant margin and there is still room from improvement, even after 4 years we are seeing games get better 



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^^^^^^^ This is true...

 

Wii 2  -  December 2012

Xbox 720  -  November 2013

PS4  -  June 2014



“Absolutely, we can do much more with it. I don’t know if we are even close to 50 percent of PlayStation 3’s power at this point,” said Asmussen about God of War 3.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???

I expect to see Wii 2 around November 2012, and the other two manufactures to follow in a year's time, if they want to or not.

The Wii2 will steal a lot of 3rd party exclusives because it's the new thing, and with the brand name and franchises behind Nintendo, Sony and MS don't want them to get a lead at all. It'd be stupid. So MS and Sony will be forced into the next generation against their will IMO.

We'll see. E3 could, but won't, be interesting...



 

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oni-link said:


I really think Nintendo's next console will be a huge leap compared to the current HD systems.  Especially if they use the POWER7 (a beast) as their proccessor of choice instead of the very capable POWER5 .  I for one still think of the latter but happysquirell thinks it's the former.

POWER7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER7

POWER5:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER5

POWER 7 is too hot and they make it with the expensive SOI production process, it doesn't look anything like a good CPU for a console. I would pick either:

1. ARM Corext A15 or better based quad core @ 2Ghz with an appropriate GPU.

2. AMD Fusion based processor, probably Bobcat DX11 GPU.

Both on 28nm bulk process.



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Squilliam said:
oni-link said:


I really think Nintendo's next console will be a huge leap compared to the current HD systems.  Especially if they use the POWER7 (a beast) as their proccessor of choice instead of the very capable POWER5 .  I for one still think of the latter but happysquirell thinks it's the former.

POWER7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER7

POWER5:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER5

POWER 7 is too hot and they make it with the expensive SOI production process, it doesn't look anything like a good CPU for a console. I would pick either:

1. ARM Corext A15 or better based quad core @ 2Ghz with an appropriate GPU.

2. AMD Fusion based processor, probably Bobcat DX11 GPU.

Both on 28nm bulk process.


I just wanted to if Nintendo is releasing a system in 2012 it is likely that they would use a 22nm process ...

With that said, Nintendo is in a fairly unique position heading into this generation because they can freely choose whatever architecture they want. The reason for this is that they can maintain backwards compatibility with the Wii through software emulation because they will have the necessary processing power to pull it off (regardless of the architecture they choose).

On top of that, most architectures could be made to suit the needs of a console manufacturer. You could take something which seemed underpowered for a game console (ARM processor or Intel Atom) and increase the number of cores, expand the instruction set, and/or over-clock it to make it perform at the level you desired; or you could take something that seemed to run too hot (Power 7) and scale it down by reducing the number of cores and/or under-clocking it to suit your needs.



if wii 2 launches late this year MS will be forced because they dont want togive up marketshare to the wii 2(becuse of how succesful kinect is) so they will launch in the spring/summer of 2012. sony wont want to give up marketshare to the 360 so they will launch late 2012/early 2013. if wii 2 launches late 2012 than the 720 will either already be ready for a late 2012 release or they will go in spring/summer 2013. ps4 would launch late 2013.



Halo MCC will sell 5+ million copies(including digital)

halo 5 will sell 10 million copies(including digital)

x1 will pass ps4 in USA, and UK.