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HappySqurriel said:
Squilliam said:

POWER 7 is too hot and they make it with the expensive SOI production process, it doesn't look anything like a good CPU for a console. I would pick either:

1. ARM Corext A15 or better based quad core @ 2Ghz with an appropriate GPU.

2. AMD Fusion based processor, probably Bobcat DX11 GPU.

Both on 28nm bulk process.


I just wanted to if Nintendo is releasing a system in 2012 it is likely that they would use a 22nm process ...

With that said, Nintendo is in a fairly unique position heading into this generation because they can freely choose whatever architecture they want. The reason for this is that they can maintain backwards compatibility with the Wii through software emulation because they will have the necessary processing power to pull it off (regardless of the architecture they choose).

On top of that, most architectures could be made to suit the needs of a console manufacturer. You could take something which seemed underpowered for a game console (ARM processor or Intel Atom) and increase the number of cores, expand the instruction set, and/or over-clock it to make it perform at the level you desired; or you could take something that seemed to run too hot (Power 7) and scale it down by reducing the number of cores and/or under-clocking it to suit your needs.

Well... Intel is only slated to start production of 22nm parts at the end of this year, it is unlikely that a 22nm console will be practical only a year after that given the increased difficulty in transitioning to new process nodes if you consider Global Foundries 32nm problems and TSMC's 40nm problems. 28nm is the safe option for releasing a new console and both GF and TSMC will have good 28nm processes by the time the console goes into production. Even better they may be significantly cheaper than the 22nm process at the time of the NES 6 release. It doesn't always follow that transitioning to a low node will reduce the cost per transistor, it may actually increase costs.



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HappySqurriel said:
Squilliam said:
oni-link said:


I really think Nintendo's next console will be a huge leap compared to the current HD systems.  Especially if they use the POWER7 (a beast) as their proccessor of choice instead of the very capable POWER5 .  I for one still think of the latter but happysquirell thinks it's the former.

POWER7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER7

POWER5:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POWER5

POWER 7 is too hot and they make it with the expensive SOI production process, it doesn't look anything like a good CPU for a console. I would pick either:

1. ARM Corext A15 or better based quad core @ 2Ghz with an appropriate GPU.

2. AMD Fusion based processor, probably Bobcat DX11 GPU.

Both on 28nm bulk process.


I just wanted to if Nintendo is releasing a system in 2012 it is likely that they would use a 22nm process ...

With that said, Nintendo is in a fairly unique position heading into this generation because they can freely choose whatever architecture they want. The reason for this is that they can maintain backwards compatibility with the Wii through software emulation because they will have the necessary processing power to pull it off (regardless of the architecture they choose).

On top of that, most architectures could be made to suit the needs of a console manufacturer. You could take something which seemed underpowered for a game console (ARM processor or Intel Atom) and increase the number of cores, expand the instruction set, and/or over-clock it to make it perform at the level you desired; or you could take something that seemed to run too hot (Power 7) and scale it down by reducing the number of cores and/or under-clocking it to suit your needs.

Good point, I still think the POWER series of processors is what Nintendo will go for.  Either the 5 ,6, or 7 will be more than capable for the next generation Wii.



I honestly believe that the next Nintendo console will arrive, at most, in late 2012 and the next Sony and MS`s consoles, 6 months after.
Some people think that Xbox 360 and PS3 will/can last 10 years like PS2. Now, did any of the former reached the success that PS2? Were they the synonymous of videogames like PS2? - think core and casual market.
PS2 lasted 10 years - and dying - because it was all that (not going into what made PS2, PS2). That`s why it also crushed the competition: Dreamcast, Xbox and Gamecube.
But there`s another reason why it was successful: PS1 was a hit, a huge hit. And after that the playstation brand was set in stone for PS2. It`s not easy to fight that.

A WiiHD would be pointless because there will not be a really good reason for 3rd parties to invest time and money on it. 1st party games only for a new upgraded Wii probably would not work. They could probably make more damage than good. A WiiHD now and new console a few years after doesn`t seem a good business decision as Sony and MS wouldn`t sit on their asses forever.

I believe that 3rd parties will be the focus of Nintendo on the next generation. The same way that they are courting them with 3DS. And if 3DS works, 3rd parties will be more willing to bet on Nintendo`s side!
What would that mean?
Ok, imagine Wii 2 in late 2011 - 6 months after that with 3rd parties on their side this time and no competition for at least 6 months to a year. Isn´t that a risk factor for MS and Sony?
Nintendo already has a strong casual (market) support going for them. If they can get a grasp on 3rd parties and make them successful on Wii 2 they could be even more successful with Wii 2 than they are/were with Wii and that could really harm MS and PS sales.
If this happens - and i believe that Nintendo will do anything in it`s power to make sure that happens - Xbox360 and PS3`s sales will really decline and new hardware will be introduced quickly.



DélioPT said:

I honestly believe that the next Nintendo console will arrive, at most, in late 2012 and the next Sony and MS`s consoles, 6 months after.
Some people think that Xbox 360 and PS3 will/can last 10 years like PS2. Now, did any of the former reached the success that PS2? Were they the synonymous of videogames like PS2? - think core and casual market.
PS2 lasted 10 years - and dying - because it was all that (not going into what made PS2, PS2). That`s why it also crushed the competition: Dreamcast, Xbox and Gamecube.
But there`s another reason why it was successful: PS1 was a hit, a huge hit. And after that the playstation brand was set in stone for PS2. It`s not easy to fight that.

A WiiHD would be pointless because there will not be a really good reason for 3rd parties to invest time and money on it. 1st party games only for a new upgraded Wii probably would not work. They could probably make more damage than good. A WiiHD now and new console a few years after doesn`t seem a good business decision as Sony and MS wouldn`t sit on their asses forever.

I believe that 3rd parties will be the focus of Nintendo on the next generation. The same way that they are courting them with 3DS. And if 3DS works, 3rd parties will be more willing to bet on Nintendo`s side!
What would that mean?
Ok, imagine Wii 2 in late 2011 - 6 months after that with 3rd parties on their side this time and no competition for at least 6 months to a year. Isn´t that a risk factor for MS and Sony?
Nintendo already has a strong casual (market) support going for them. If they can get a grasp on 3rd parties and make them successful on Wii 2 they could be even more successful with Wii 2 than they are/were with Wii and that could really harm MS and PS sales.
If this happens - and i believe that Nintendo will do anything in it`s power to make sure that happens - Xbox360 and PS3`s sales will really decline and new hardware will be introduced quickly.

one of the most intelligent arguements made since I've been here at VGC!!! No fanboy rant just an honest raw and fair opinion.  you sir have my respect lol!!!



Thanks oni-link! :D



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