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icefaii said:

And i fucking steal.

Fixed that one up for you



                            

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Carl2291 said:

What's funny is, Jim mentions these pictures that say it's not stealing it's "sharing".

Did some of you even watch the video? lol

It's stealing. "You should be paying for it you dumb cunt".

I might put that it my sig. Wonder if the C word can get me banned...

I did watch the video, it's just that on the issue of calling the act "stealing" he's wrong. And so are you, if you agree with him.

Note that I'm not adding "in my opinion", because this is not a statement of opinions: copyright infringiment is not theft in legal terms, and is a very different thing even in ethical and logical terms. Twisting words beyond their breaking point and muddling the waters is a rethorical technique, but it doesn't magically grant weight to the truth of an argumentation.

i.e. just because someone chose to call it "intellectual property" doesn't make it property. And where there's no property, how can be theft?



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

NotStan said:

I don't pirate games and disagree with those that do, but effectively purchasing a second hand game might as well be pirating too as the developer does not see any of those moneys, and you are effectively making profit for the gamestation or wherever you purchase the second hand game, but that's just my opinion. I am not against purchasing used games, as even I do that sometimes, but I disagree with those that feel it their birthright to experience a game they are not able to afford but willing to pirate, it is theft. There is nothing more to it really.


It's in constution your right to entertainment,

So if you can't buy and pirate the government should pay (all those gaming tax could be used for it)



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

WereKitten said:

I did watch the video, it's just that on the issue of calling the act "stealing" he's wrong. And so are you, if you agree with him.

Note that I'm not adding "in my opinion", because this is not a statement of opinions: copyright infringiment is not theft in legal terms, and is a very different thing even in ethical and logical terms. Twisting words beyond their breaking point and muddling the waters is a rethorical technique, but it doesn't magically grant weight to the truth of an argumentation.

i.e. just because someone chose to call it "intellectual property" doesn't make it property. And where there's no property, how can be theft?

You should be paying for it.



                            

I came into this topic and read through it, and the further in I got the more I could feel my blood pressure rising. This is as a person who abhorrs piracy - who bought a physical copy of Mother 3 long before the fan translation was finished, and bought a copy of EarthBound off of eBay when there's no good moral reason to do so.

Here I am, ready to go on a vicious tirade, pushing it to the limit of what i know I can get away with without getting banned - and then, light.

WereKitten and killergran (HOLY SHIT KILLERGRAN ISN'T DEAD) phrased the whole thing nicely and succinctly.

There are many cases where pirating is not morally justifiable (I have ehard arguments that piracy is never justifiable, even if I do not agree with them) but equating it with theft is disingenuous and flagrantly incorrect.

Edit: Carl I swear to God.



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Carl2291 said:
WereKitten said:

I did watch the video, it's just that on the issue of calling the act "stealing" he's wrong. And so are you, if you agree with him.

Note that I'm not adding "in my opinion", because this is not a statement of opinions: copyright infringiment is not theft in legal terms, and is a very different thing even in ethical and logical terms. Twisting words beyond their breaking point and muddling the waters is a rethorical technique, but it doesn't magically grant weight to the truth of an argumentation.

i.e. just because someone chose to call it "intellectual property" doesn't make it property. And where there's no property, how can be theft?

You should be paying for it.

That's orthogonal to the issue of stealing vs copyright infringment.

If you are fined for speed you're supposed to pay for it. Paying or not paying can get you in trouble and /or can pose ethic issues, but certainly does not involve "stealing"



"All you need in life is ignorance and confidence; then success is sure." - Mark Twain

"..." - Gordon Freeman

WereKitten said:

That's orthogonal to the issue of stealing vs copyright infringment.

If you are fined for speed you're supposed to pay for it. Paying or not paying can get you in trouble and /or can pose ethic issues, but certainly does not involve "stealing"

Fair enough. Depending on what it is, you're not stealing.

You should still be paying for it though.



                            

Carl2291 said:
icefaii said:

And i fucking steal.

Fixed that one up for you


Yep I fucking do.

 

Unlike most people who do but wont admit and try to act innocent (everyone in this thread)

 

pirated the game and bought a legit one afterward is not piracy? fucking think again.

Items that are not for sale anymore so its not piracy? fucking think again.

 

@Carl2291

 btw pay for your sig and avatar please.

Dont you fucking tell me stealing image is fine but stealing game is not with your half ass ethics.



ameratsu said:
Seece said:

I wish we took a stronger stance against game pirates here, like banning them all. They go without any punishement .. heck even one of our MODS is a proud pirate ... disgusting, doesn't deserve to play video games.


I think we should take a stronger stance against people who use avatars for games they probably aren't very good at.

(the real deal / still something to prove or gtfo)

Yeah, how would you have a clue how good I am at L4D2. I take it you're a proud pirate?



 

Seece said:

I wish we took a stronger stance against game pirates here, like banning them all. They go without any punishement .. heck even one of our MODS is a proud pirate ... disgusting, doesn't deserve to play video games.

We used to do this - BengaBenga was particularly ruthless on this front - and I don't mind it as an idea. That's no excuse for headlines and articles perverting the dialogue, or people perpetuating ass-backwards sound bites (CARL).

Again: all for banning people who brag about their piracy. That's fine. But we should be clear and distinct that we're talking about copyright infringement and not theft.